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Terror 'scarf' yeah right

  1. May 30, 2008 #1
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7427983.stm

    What did these students do to be denied from education? Talk to me about Arab terrorism and jihad "apologists" referred to in the scarf thread...Americans are phobic from a "scarf", tell me what do you think those students and many more are phobic from?

    i'm speechless.
     
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  3. May 30, 2008 #2

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    To be denied a Fulbright scholarship and the opportunity to study in the US because Israel "says so" smacks of collective punishment, which is illegal under international law. After Obama becomes president, this crap will stop, but don't expect W to treat these students fairly - he probably can't say "Fulbright" nor appreciate what this honor means to them.
     
  4. May 30, 2008 #3

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    Not all Americans, just the stupid ones.

    We are all in a battle with extremism, fear, ignorance, petty prejudice, political charlatans, and a new brand of fear mongering media that is populated by paper tigers and intellectual midgets.
     
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  5. May 30, 2008 #4

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    Be careful turbo, I know you are a Palestinian sympathizer, but you should check around before condemming Israelis.

    Turns out
    http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/108837.html

    It seems that the US goofed up.
     
  6. May 31, 2008 #5
    sounds nice but, who do you think banned the students from taking the scholarship? yes surprising isn't it.

    There is no difference , whether you sympathize with the Palestinians, the Israelis or anyone else, if you are a human being with the least of human compassion, then you have to recognize what is happening in Gaza as a crime to humanity.
    I can write days and nights about this but words are meaningless.


    I quite agree, WE are ALL in this together. Just as the American people suffers from terrorism so do we - Egyptians-. There were terrorist attacks on Egypt 10 years or so ago and we suffered just as Americans did.
    In my opinion terrorism / extremism in this part of the world is posed by US, Iran and Israel.
     
  7. May 31, 2008 #6

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    :confused: How? Do you mean by not putting more pressure on Israel earlier to reconsider their refusal to grant the students visas before pulling the scholarships?

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/988686.html
     
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  8. May 31, 2008 #7

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    I am a humanitarian first. I sympathize with people who are oppressed, whether by outside forces, their own governments, or factions of the societies that they live in. If Hamas had refused to allow these students to leave, I would be just as mad at them.
     
  9. May 31, 2008 #8

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    Art, if that last line in your quote bears out, then the US State Dept. might own some part of the blame for this.

    Did the State Dept. withdraw the scholarships without making an effort to first reverse the Israeli decision? I guess it comes down to the chronology of their reaction.
     
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  10. May 31, 2008 #9

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    I agree the state dep't may well share some of the blame, I was just trying to clarify the point Evo was making as perhaps I took it up wrong but it seemed to me she was saying it was all the US's fault in which case I wondered why she thought that.

    Yes the US state dep't probably could have and should have put more pressure on the Israelis to give the students exit visas but does this absolve the Israelis of blame for refusing visas in the first place? Certainly not to my mind.
     
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  11. May 31, 2008 #10

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    Yes we are. Hopefully that is what we will all learn through this fantastic age of information. Pass it on. :biggrin:
     
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  12. May 31, 2008 #11

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    What is this? Chinese whispers?

    Beer hall and disco leather. Pass it on.

    PS: Error correction code disabled.
     
  13. May 31, 2008 #12

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    It would appear from various sources that the US State Department made assumptions about the ability of the Gaza students to leave, and perhaps it was a matter of asking the Israeli government to allow the students to come the US. There does not appear to be any need for pressure, as apparently "allowing the students to leave would have come under the rubric of humanitarian exceptions to the blockade," according to Evo's citation.
     
  14. May 31, 2008 #13

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    I quoted a mainstream Israeli source that said the students were refused visas and here is the BBC's take on it.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7427983.stm
     
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  15. Jun 1, 2008 #14

    Ivan Seeking

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    That was my tongue-in-cheek way of saying that not all Americans are idiots, that we are all in this together as a world community, that hopefully the world will realize this, and that we can all be a part of this process. But based on your answer, it would seem that my method of delivery was counter-productive. :biggrin:
     
  16. Jun 2, 2008 #15
    Yes because I always get the feeling that Western media trying to frame us - Middle Easterns- as if WE are the terrorists and that we support them and we offer them places and money and BS like that...the truth is that we suffered from terrorism just as you did but a little earlier so no one noticed. For example, look at what's happening in Algeria, Gaza or Lebanon.

    but back to the topic, what do you think to become of those students? Can you imagine as being improsined in country and when offered a chance to leave to a place that would seem like heaven compared to where you live in, someone denies you from that, better yet for something you didn't do...
     
  17. Jun 2, 2008 #16

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    Good news for the Fulbright scholars! Now it's up to Israel to allow them to travel.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/02/gaza.fulbright/index.html


     
  18. Jun 2, 2008 #17
    That's a breeze of fresh air...
     
  19. Jun 2, 2008 #18

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  20. Jun 2, 2008 #19
    LMAO...

    :eek: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  21. Jun 3, 2008 #20

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    I'm surprised at the Israeli gov't expressing surprise that these students were refused permission to travel seeing as how this court case has been going on for some time

    I think embarrassed at being found out rather than surprised would more aptly describe the Israeli gov'ts current state. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/7432742.stm
     
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