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News Terror with Benefits Poll

  1. Bush would benefit more from a terror attack

  2. Kerry would benefit more from a terror attack

  3. Or, both equally benefit

  1. Sep 21, 2004 #1
    Conflict of interest can be proven, when terror attacks directly or indirectly positively affect a presidential candidate’s business circumstances. In this regard, the level of 'conflict of interest' of a presidential candidate and their business connections is directly proportionate to the level of 'threat of terror upon Americans'.

    Based upon what you have seen, read or heard, which candidate has more to gain positively in terms of business (as well as their personal business connections) from the results of a terror attack upon innocent Americans?

    A conflict of interest is a situation in which someone, most commonly a lawyer, a politician, or a director of a corporation has competing professional or personal interests that would make it difficult to fulfill their duties, fairly.-Wikipedia
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  3. Sep 21, 2004 #2


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    What you are implying here is absolutely ludicrous. No answer.
  4. Sep 22, 2004 #3
    I guess you don't read the papers today.
  5. Sep 24, 2004 #4
    I find it interesting no one is commenting on this poll. The newspapers show the business interests of each candidate. A bit of research can show the connections of each.

    Does it not seem a conflict of interest that leaders should be in office who can benefit from terror attacks upon their own people?
  6. Sep 24, 2004 #5

    Well, you asked.
  7. Sep 24, 2004 #6


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    Any attack on the US would benefit the sitting president. Rally 'round the flag.
  8. Sep 24, 2004 #7

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    I didn't realize how true this is. Last night there was a bit on polls and their interpretation. Not only did Bush spike on 911, he spikes on the anniversary of 911.
  9. Sep 24, 2004 #8
    So the next day his polls drop? People only want to vote for him on one day, but not the previous or the next? Oh, come now.

    If there was a spike, it was probably from people remembering what it was like then and what it is like now.

    An attack on the US takes away one of Bush' biggest trump cards -- "he kept us safe." It would also give credence to his detractors that we are not safer now than we were four years ago. No way does Bush want an attack on US soil before the elections.
  10. Sep 24, 2004 #9


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    John that's the rational way to bet, but I'm betting that Americans aren't rational on this. Bush has suffered in polls from the lack of WMD compared to his reasons for attacking Iraq, but he hasn't suffered from criticisms about the failure to prevent 9/11.
  11. Sep 25, 2004 #10
    First President Bush doesn't need a terriorist attack, to help him in the 2004 election. He just need to create the fear of one.

    http://www.progressive.org/sept04/comm0904.html [Broken]
    The above is just part of the article.
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  12. Sep 25, 2004 #11
    I'm glad you spared us the rest of the article!
  13. Sep 25, 2004 #12
    Simple negation is not an argument. You need to back up your argument. Mine is. Assert something positive or imply nothing, and convey meaninglessness.

    As far as your other comments, murdering Iraqis and stealing their resources increasing the threat of an attack. So, Bush has not made us safer, where diplomacy would have decreased the threat of attack

    And an attack before the elections? No, it wouldn't be good for Bush, because he is supposed to be improving the situation, but those who are so simple minded to think killing Arabs will decrease the level of threat are idiots. Look at how stupid Israel has been for the past 50 years. They are a living breathing example murdering Arabs will get you no where. You and your kind who believe in this mentality will not the successfull ones to find end the conflicts between Americans and Arabs. Get over the tough guy no where attitude.

    Ivan, I hadn't thought about it that way. Unless, I think of it in terms of Patriotism. But I meant in terms of business interests and ability to sway policy to enrich his fellow business friends and aquaitances.

    SelfAdjoint, I blame 911 on Team Bush. It may not have been all of Team Bushes fault, but it is the Presidential Administrations JOB to keep us safe and this idiot failed that demand! Evevating the level of terror against America by murdering innocent Iraqis was his biggest second mistake. If he isn't going to take repsosibility, we need a president who'll get in there a do what it takes to settle things down, by showing diplomatic leadership vs. murderous leadership.

    Outcast, Yes, fear is a basic principle in the present leaderships theory on running a nation and international policy. Fear is our enemy.
  14. Sep 25, 2004 #13


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    I think you didn't follow my argument. It was not whether the Bush administration was remiss in connection with 9/11, but whether the American people were disposed to blame them for it. The evidence showed that their highhanded disregard for the warnings of the previous administration contributed to the unreadiness.

    I repeat my belief that any attack on the US is an advantage to the sitting president. Not among people who analyze issues but among the great mass of the US citizenry.
  15. Sep 25, 2004 #14
    Popularity gained through the attention of an attack is something diffrent from pre-existing business interests though. Popularity is not something I mean to attend to here. Finantial interests and power gained from changing policy is what I mean to point out here. For example, without a terror attack, Bush couldn't have improved his oil interests, but we Americans would have still paid the same price for oil, actually less, because the war is billions in entropy finantially. And, the military asset production goes through the roof in wartime, but the assets are worthless in times of diplomacy. Who knows the connections Bush has with the war equipment? And what about those contracts in construction of any type in Iraq?
  16. Sep 25, 2004 #15
    Do your own Google search for my arguments. After all, that is your modus operandi.

    The rest of your argument hinges on your attitude that Americans are stupid unless they vote for your candidate. I have no patience to respond, especially since most of your allegations are completely unfounded and unsubstantiated.

    Let me go into Omin-style ranting:

    Bill Clinton attacked the Serbs simply because Hillary told him to do it!!!! She hates Serbs! This proves that Bill was nothing more than Hillary's lap dog!

    And how do I respond if someone challenges my assertion? Two ways:

    1. Tell them to use Google and back up my assertions on their own.

    2. Just repeat my rant over and over and over and over.
  17. Sep 25, 2004 #16
    Because most Americans realize that Bush couldn't have stopped 911 from occurring.
  18. Sep 26, 2004 #17
    There was a few other time you repsonded in the same way. Let me refresh your memory. You repsonded with simple negation.

    I make an argument. You simply say it's not true. You didn't prove anything, because only saying false is no argument at all.

    You've done it again. Buth this time you sound really convincing with many worlds, but you still don't haven't stated anything.

    Set me straigh with facts if I"m wrong or represent things in a more accurate order, or something else. You sound like a little kid saying no, but not an ounce of reasoning or explanation for the no.

    Come on, grow up.

    And I never would have said that, prove how in principle you are mocking me well. I don't see it.
  19. Sep 26, 2004 #18
    You asked for my OPINION, and I answered it. You asked whether I thought that Bush had a conflict of interest in being President and invading Iraq, and I said no.
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