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The Bermuda triangle

  1. May 25, 2004 #1
    The bermuda triangle, also known as the devils triangle is a mystery for scientists today. Some say that it has an immense gravitational pull in that area. Some say that there is a "hole in the sky" in that area. But still there is no proof why many ships and planes have disappeared after they have crossed it. My question is that, do anyone know a logical reason about this?
     
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  3. May 25, 2004 #2
    Logical reason

    Oh yes, no problem

    First of all, there is a lot of confirmation bias about the horrors of the Bermuda Triangle. Meaning that all the catastrophic events in that area are logged and remembered, whilst others somewhere else are fading from memory.

    Second there is a lot of alleged catastrophes attributed to the BT that did not took place there at all. Like the flight of those Avengers after reconstruction it became clear that they actually got lost in the Gulf of Mexico having missed the Florida pensinsula.

    Third, it is percieved that the area may contain a lot of unstable clathrate, that could convert the ocean to a bubble stream locally, in which ships would sink. See this page

    Finally. There is nothing wrong with the gravity in that area and magnetic compasses are known to be sensitive to several disturbances. This happens all over the world but the confirmation bias suggest that it happens a lot more in the BT.

    No magic, just plain physics. :smile:
     
  4. May 26, 2004 #3

    Phobos

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    I recall hearing another explanation...

    It's just an area with a lot of shipping/flight traffic so, statistically, there is bound to be more accidents than in areas with no traffic.
     
  5. May 27, 2004 #4
    Well, there is no North Sea triangle
     
  6. May 28, 2004 #5
    Just how God made the world i guess!
     
  7. Jun 4, 2004 #6
    There is a known geological deposit of methane gas (an extremely large one) in the northern part of the bermuda triangle. it has been shown that a massive enough bubble escaping from the seabed could easily sink any man made ship (obviously, the bigger the ship, the bigg the bubble would ahve to be) and it takes only a very small amount of methane in the air to displace enough oxygen to cause a propeller plane to stall (not to mention the effect the lighter air density would have on the altitudemeter). Not saying that this is necessarily the cause of all or even the majority of the incidents but it is possible that given the high traffic and such a hazard that the high number of incidents could be at least partially caused by this.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2004 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    thank you franznietzsche. :smile:

    Yes, it is starting to appear that this is the true Bermuda Triangle Story. A few genuinely unsual disappearances were spun into a legend. The oversight has been that a few very unusual disappearances did happen. These disappearances were a hint at the dangers to shipping and oil drilling that large deposits of methyl hydroxide [methyl hydrate?] can pose. [I think this is the proper salt form found in the ocean floor]. When water hits a layer of this salt, a tremendous amount of gas can be generated. At least one oil platform hit one of these deposits while drilling and the platform was lost.

    It is now suggested that an event of this type can be so large that it can have global effects. I will try to find some previously referenced links a little later.
     
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  9. Jun 5, 2004 #8

    Ivan Seeking

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    As in the end all things must be; though they may seem like magic for a time.
     
  10. Jun 7, 2004 #9

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    I was watching the Discovery Channel a few months back when they did a special on the Bermuda Triangle. One of the scientists claimed that many of the older radios on planes as well as boats would get jammed in that area causing them to lose contact as they go through. He then went on to say that most of the "lost contact" only occurs anywhere from 5 - 15 minutes at any given time. And 9 times out of 10, whenever an airplane or boat loses radio contact, the initial reaction is....."OMG ITS GOING DOWN!". When the truth is they are probably just having a dandy time in the air or on the water.

    Now, I don't know how factual that is since I've never tried to talk on the radio while going through the Bermuda Triangle. I just figured I would share that with everyone.
     
  11. Jun 8, 2004 #10

    Ivan Seeking

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    Some related discussions

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16702

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=7161

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/p...0030801&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=308010471&Ref=AR

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=3461&page=1&pp=15

    Darnit! I know we have at least one more thread with some good links. Will try to find as time allows.
     
  12. Jun 8, 2004 #11

    Ivan Seeking

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    More:

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=13819

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2974

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=7680

    Also, something like this catches my eye as potentially related. I saw another report like this from this same area in which the sounds were thought to be coming from far out at sea.
    http://www.charleston.net/stories/080203/loc_02boom.shtml

    Finally, it strikes me that considering the potential connection of this idea to mass extinctions, or at least that this may all have global implications, the name "Devil's Triangle" may have been more appropriate after all.
     
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  13. Jun 8, 2004 #12

    Ivan Seeking

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    From the last link above:

    Surely nothing definitive but it caught my interest.
     
  14. Jun 8, 2004 #13

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
     
  15. Jun 9, 2004 #14

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    I was looking around for a transcript from flight 19 - the squadron that so famously disappeared without a trace. Maybe this is from another incident...I'm not sure, but it has been reported that in one transmission from a plane that was lost, the pilot reported that the sea looked very strange. I think he even said something about the ocean boiling. I will post this if I can find anything significant. In the mean time, I noticed a couple of interesting facts.

    From the Navy's Bermuda Triangle FAQ page.
    Does this mean that a high incidence of unexplained disappearances is a fact? I wasn't aware of any significant statistics here.

    I did not know that.

    http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq8-1.htm
     
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  16. Jun 10, 2004 #15

    Ivan Seeking

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    I am just posting interesting, related information found as I look around.

    http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/oilgas/hydrates/

    http://www.inel.gov/featurestories/00-02methanogens.shtml

    From a "Planetary Grid" :rolleyes: of Devil's triangles.
    http://www.crystalinks.com/devilstrimap.jpg

    http://www.crystalinks.com/bermuda.html
     
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  17. Jun 11, 2004 #16

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    If you look at the jpg linked above

    http://www.crystalinks.com/devilstrimap.jpg

    you will see ten "Devil's Triangles" mapped over the globe using their planetary grid

    http://www.crystalinks.com/grid.html

    For crying out loud! So anyway...I am just looking through the material to see if anything interesting pops out. If you look you will see that only one of the triangles is "predicted" to be on land. In particular, it outlines Algeria rather nicely. So I looked to see if anything interesting pops up in Algeria.

    Maybe something a little bit interesting...
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ag.html#Econ

    Anyway, it seemed worth a post.
     
  18. Jun 11, 2004 #17
    Thats another world, Ivan, with crop circles, ET's, poleshifts of 5 may 2003, the end of the world on 21 December 2012 etc, etc, Hogwarts is probably their university. The problem is however, we, Muggles, have no idea why all their predictions fail consistently.

    There are no scary stories for almst all the other nodes in the grid.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2004 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    True enough.

    I noticed the reference to the Japanese Devil's triangle as well as methane hydrate deposits in the same area. What interest me in these sites are not the theories but the personal accounts and legends. I just thought the Algerian thing was a little interesting. By no means do I mean to give any credence to their “theories”.

    Notice that the "Seneca Guns" are a myth from the Carolina coastal area that goes back to the 1800s. Methane hydrate deposits are also known to exist in this area. I am obviously wondering if these deposits and an occasional large release of gas may be the Seneca Guns. It is starting to seem that these large releases of gas may account for several legends and myths. I also noticed that these are capable of producing freak waves. Thought to be only a mariner's myth until they were seen by satellite, now controversy exists over the source of these waves. According to some of the information linked, these Clathrate deposits can produce freak waves [edit: I should say major events. A clear link to "freak waves" is not made].

    Freak waves:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2450407.stm

    http://www.physicsweb.org/article/news/05/6/10

    http://ethomas.web.wesleyan.edu/ees123/clathrate.htm
     
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  20. Jun 13, 2004 #19

    Ivan Seeking

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    Within the context of Methane Clathrate Hydrates, do reports like this make any sense? Is there any reason to expect magnetic effects?

    http://www.coverups.com/bermuda.htm
     
  21. Jun 13, 2004 #20
    Well, if we consider that eye witness stories are rather subjective, some of it may make sense. A spinning compass does not. But then again, the old stabilized needle compasses were sensitive to resonance. If (engine or roling or yawing) vibrations are at the right freqency, old compasses may have got rather nervous.
     
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