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The Canadian college shootings

  1. Sep 15, 2006 #1

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    Two threads this week involving guns and then this happens: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5343714.stm

    I'm definitely in the party of making guns accessible to people increases the chances of something like this happening.

    A nutter without a gun is safe.

    A nutter who can walk into a store and buy a gun isn't.

    PF links: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=131578 and https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=131334
     
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  3. Sep 18, 2006 #2

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    I thought there would be tonnes of postings on this from you US and Canadian guys - particularly as it happened in an educational institution.

    Something else which I thought would spark more discussion in the news - again, I haven't heard much in the world news - is that he seems to have got some inspiration for killing from video games: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5346110.stm
     
  4. Sep 18, 2006 #3

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    I don't think there is much else to say.

    The individual (gunman) seemed to be mentally ill and alienated. Somehow he decided to start shooting people, but since he committed suicide, we are only left to speculate as to the motive.

    This can happen anywhere, and does periodically occur. It has happened periodically in the US, even in the local area. Access to guns certainly increases the probability that someone with mental illness could act out in society and kill people. That seems a price that some societies are willing to accept. :rolleyes: :uhh:
     
  5. Sep 18, 2006 #4
    yeh but without the guns how can we defend ourselfs from people with mental illnesses, especially violent ones, with guns?????

    /sarcasim

    :biggrin:
     
  6. Sep 18, 2006 #5

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    If there was no guns, we wouldn't have to worry about people with mental illnesses with guns.
     
  7. Sep 18, 2006 #6

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    Say what?!

    Just playing. :)
     
  8. Sep 18, 2006 #7

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    I can't argue with that, but, since guns have been invented and are actually manufactured in large quantities, how do you propose we get rid of all the guns?

    - Warren
     
  9. Sep 18, 2006 #8
    I'm sure even without guns they would find another way to make "their point".
     
  10. Sep 18, 2006 #9

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    I never said I had a proposition.
     
  11. Sep 18, 2006 #10

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    You're right, scorpa. You can kill people pretty effectively with thrown kitchen knives, chlorine gas made from bleach and vinegar, you name it.

    - Warren
     
  12. Sep 18, 2006 #11

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    It's not hard for someone that is determined to get a gun to get hold of one illegally. Where the banning of guns would stop most normal people from getting a gun, it more than likely wouldn't stop a "nutter" as you call them.
     
  13. Sep 18, 2006 #12
    Yes that is what I am getting at. It's not the gun that gets up by itself and decides to go on a rampage....it's the idiot using it. If guns were banned it would be just as easy for them to poison (but thats not as flashy), make a bomb, throw knives....ect. Yes guns are dangerous in the wrong hands but unfortunately so are a lot of things.
     
  14. Sep 18, 2006 #13
    So would you say the world would be safer if most people had guns, or just a few dettermined nutters?
     
  15. Sep 18, 2006 #14

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    How many people own guns is not an issue, it's the intent of the individual user. I don't need to worry about the overwhelming majority of gun owners, only the "few determined nutters" and that's so rare, I'm more likely to die from slipping in my shower, but I'm not going to call for a ban on showers. I can only think of one person that I personally know that owns a gun, and it's an antique shotgun he inherited. Do you think that every American buys guns just because we can?
     
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  16. Sep 18, 2006 #15
    It was totally hypothetical question and nothing to do with America. I just wanted to know what your oppinion was. I have heard some people argue that it would be safer, I was wondering if that applied to you.

    However since you brought it up, I would say that it is a matter of how many people owe guns, the less who do the less chance that someone is going to get shot, by someone with a gun.
     
  17. Sep 18, 2006 #16

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    Someone intent on commiting violence would just use another means. We're talking about someone obviously disturbed. People don't become violent just because they own a gun.
     
  18. Sep 18, 2006 #17
    Oh, give me a break. Guns do not make the world less safe, violent people do. Is that so hard to grasp?

    A gun is a tool that can be used for good, or can be used for evil.

    So I guess before the advent of the gun crime was nonexistant, right???

    We all own knives, do we go around slashing at people? No, because it too is a tool that can be used for good or bad.
     
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  19. Sep 18, 2006 #18
    Where I come from I don't know anyone who does not own a gun, in fact I would imagine the average number of guns in each household would be about 5.....some a few less but many a lot more (and i mean alot!) and no one has ever been shot, hurt, killed, or maimed in anyway. People are careful and bad things don't happen, it's when some psychopathic nutjob gets ahold of them that things become problematic, but like was mentioned multiple times before in this thread if they did not have guns they would find something else to get the job done. Haha got to love that old saying "Guns dont kill people, people kill people" :smile:
     
  20. Sep 18, 2006 #19

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    Police just arrested some teens in Green Bay, Wisconsin for plotting to attack their high school a la Columbine. They were planning to shoot people they didn't like, but their main plan was to set off bombs near the rest rooms.

    As we see from the daily news from Iraq, bombs can be more effective than guns if all you want to do is kill people.
     
  21. Sep 18, 2006 #20

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    Actually, bullets kill people.

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
     
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