Alot of Iraqis are going to die, because of Bush's unjust war.
STAii, are you aware of some world war that Bush is waging that nobody knows about?Originally posted by STAii
I would say: Worse !
Saddam Hussein killed only people in Iraq, Bush kills people all over the world !
I would just point out though that the no-fly zone was established twelve years ago, and that prior to the no-fly zone, the Iraqis were in a middle of a war in which the Kurds supported the iranians.Originally posted by Njorl
Over 5000 Iraqis were dying each month because Saddam Hussein was diverting food and medical aid from the oil-for-food program to buy weapons and luxuries for his loyalists. His army had murdered 40,000-70,000 Kurds and Shiites in the aftermath of the first gulf war. They only stopped when the no-fly zones were established. It is readily aparent that they would continue to murder the Kurds and Shiites if allowed to. In this case, as in Kossovo a few years back, war results in less death than peace. Those who want peace now just like to delude themselves that the deaths would not be a result of their inaction.
The point is that Bush has the power to start killing people at any point in the world, Bush controls the life of all people on the globe.Originally posted by Tom
STAii, are you aware of some world war that Bush is waging that nobody knows about?
edit: I can't believe this got by me, but...
What is the point of noting that Saddam "only" killed people in Iraq?! Even if true (which it is not), it is still terrible.
Of course he does, but you said that Bush is killing people all over the world. When you put it like that ^^, it's totally different.Originally posted by STAii
The point is that Bush has the power to start killing people at any point in the world, Bush controls the life of all people on the globe.
So a long and bloody war with your closest neighbor is the stuff "heaven" is made of? Yikes.Iraq was a very great civilized place to live, it was almost a heaven !
And apparently that scares you. Does Saddam's power scare you? Is Saddam more or less inclined to use force? You do realize you are seeming to support the regime of a criminal dictator that the world is nearly unanamous in condemning, right? And this over the the US which despite our breathtaking power hasn't exercised the full force we are capable of in 55 years. I don't understand why you fear the US and not Iraq. Maybe its erroneous beliefs like this:The point is that Bush has the power to start killing people at any point in the world, Bush controls the life of all people on the globe.
Um... Kuait? Israel? Saudia Arabia? IRAN!!!!?!?? In fact, Saddam kills people in any country he can reach. We've just been able (so far) to keep his reach reasonably short. But it has taken a active opposition to do that.Saddam Hussein killed only people in Iraq...
That's Not Legal ... USA Respects Law .. Duhh ! I'm Lying !Originally posted by STAii
(a good way: simply assasin him !)
Obviously there is some denial going on here.Iraq was a very great civilized place to live, it was almost a heaven !
Alot of people like Bush, I am one, and most people can atleast tolerate him. Bush works in a democracy which doesn't allow him to throw people into meat grinders and bomb thousands with chemical weapons.since most of the poeple hate him
You have a point.Originally posted by Lifegazer
What bothers me here, is that I see evidence (from the posters) for George's comparable goodness as a justification of his actions.
But that's not good enough really. "I'm better than you: therefore, my actions are all justified.", does not follow. That's why it's a meaningless argument (with Staii) to discuss the merits of each leader. It doesn't prove anything anyway.
How many Iraqi civilians die on a daily basis due to the oppression of Saddam? The net effect of this conflict will SAVE civilian lives.As The News Says , US AirFighters killed 2 Civilians and wonded more than 50 Civilians ...
I covered this in another thread, but the answer is so simple people don't see it. The US simply doesn't have the means to launch an invasion of China, so we don't. We fight battles we can win. If we lose, we don't help anyone.US government says that Iraqi poeple wants to get free of the dictator leader , and they hate him , so the brave ( duhh! ) US And English army are here to free the poeple from this bad leader ...
If that's their reason , then I have something to suggest .
Why don't China invade USA to help it's poeple to get rid of their bad leader G.W. Bosh ... since most of the poeple hate him , then China should do the same with The US ...
"Denial" is one word that fits. I have a stronger word in mind that also starts with the letter "d"...Obviously there is some denial going on here.
Did you ever live in Iraq ?Originally posted by Greg Bernhardt
Obviously there is some denial going on here.
So, back to my point.Alot of people like Bush, I am one, and most people can atleast tolerate him. Bush works in a democracy which doesn't allow him to throw people into meat grinders and bomb thousands with chemical weapons.
Saddam does however mix civilians with the miltiary as much as possible. Everyone likes to say how in the first Gulf war we bombed schools and hospitals. This is completely true. What they don't mention is the fact that these civilian installations are purposely built on top of command bunkers, weapons plants, and other military installations.That's just not true... it's a war, people get killed. If you happen to live next door to a power plant, or a bomb goes off target, or (this happened to a Jordanian refugee) you happen to be at the only gas station on the road to Amman when it's bombed, that's it.