The fundenental law of relativity

1. Aug 13, 2004

C. Michael Turner

If it is Assumed that mass is the condensed form of gravitation and the gravitational wave is a monopole transfer of energy ( i.e. mass decays into the gravitational wave) then time and space could be looked at as actions of mass unfolding into its endpoint form, the gravitational wave. Time and space become understood as a three dimensional process relative to change of motion which elongates the gravitational wave with respect to the mass bodies involved. This assumption also sheds light on the acceleration of matter in the universe as mass decreases by turning into the gravitational wave with the continious force of the initial big bang. F=MA. Mass decreases as it is turned into the gravitational wave and the remaining mass accelerates keeping the force constant. The force never stopped because there is nothing to stop it. The gravitational wave being a monopole workes by sychronization. Mass is attracted by the sychronization of gravitational waves and not a pulling and no dark matter and energy to pull in the oppisite direction with this model. E=mc2 could be said Free gravity= bound gravity times the speed of gravity squared. an three to two dimensional area formula.

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2. Aug 13, 2004

Chronos

There is no basis to assert matter is condensed gravitational energy. When electrons and positrons annihilate each other in a particle accelerator, all you see is EM radiation plus some neutrinos. Not a graviton in sight.

3. Aug 13, 2004

geometer

In fact, the whole idea behind General Relativity is that gravity is not really an object. It is merely an effect of the fact that the manifold of space-time (a manifold is just a set of points which at least locally appear Euclidean), exhibits the property of curvature. Mass gets tied in to the picture by the fact that Einstein showed that the amount of curvature of this manifold is determined by the amount of mass present.

4. Aug 14, 2004

C. Michael Turner

Your thoughts are limited on this subject. that is why it is not solved, because people dismiss the obvious. It is simple, it is smaller than is comphrended and it fits all the problems wonderfully with respect solving problems in three dimensions. Too many problems are answered with this thinking. Yes I am saying that this, problably the only time, that I am right and everyone else is wrong. Black hole evaporation, time, space, acceleration of the Universe, gravity having a speed- everything works. and it also answers " When I drop stuff why does it fall?" too. It answers why time does not come in quanta. serious look at the questions it answers and tell be again that there is no basis, that is not true.

5. Aug 14, 2004

C. Michael Turner

assume that for pure knowledge sake you might be interested in understanding the missing link. Spacetime is not the true way to understand the relationship between the concepts of matter, energy, time, space and speed. Relativity is the point of origin mass to energy transfer between matter, bound, and matter, free- the Gravity wave. That is to say that matter evaporates into the gravitational wave creating the actions of space, time and gravitational wave sychronization. Space is the gravitational wave being freed to its lowest form of matter. Time is the cosmological constant -the evaporation rate of matter. There is no real curved spacetime. It is gravitational wave sychronization, gravitational waves aligning through the path of least resistance that brings matter together, that is responsible time and space distortion as the waves elongate just as the dopler effect works in sounds. Instead of the sound wave being shortened or elongated when compared to moving objects the gravity wave is shortened or lengthened, red-blue shift which affects not the action of sound but the actions of time and space. Time and space are actions created by each discrete piece of matter as the matter evaporates into the gravitational wave. Space is the unfolding of matter. Time is the resulting action of the rate of evaporation of the gravitational wave. Relativity- Point of origin mass to energy transfer in wave form.
P.S.- no extra dimensions and no dark energy and dark matter.

6. Aug 14, 2004

Vern

Good points Chronos !! However, I would change the statement about electron-positron accelerators. What we actually see downstream of electron-positron collisions are all the elementary particles including, electrons, protons, neutrons, their anti-particles, and some say even neutrinos. I point this out because if it were not true it would falsify Photon Theory that I am now investigating.

Keep on chuggin !!

Vern

7. Aug 14, 2004

Antonio Lao

Are you discussing about the relativity of motion? If you are, what is it that is in motion? At the most fundamental level, motion is just a ratio of space (1D) and time. And since it is impossible for mortal beings to find the absolute meanings of space and time, all things can appear just relative to each other. But what I am saying is that acceleration is absolute and when multiplied with a distance, it form an invariance.

$$\vec{a} \cdot \vec{r} = c^2$$

So that different kinds of acceleration give different forces. Inertial forces, gravitational forces, centripetal forces, centrifugal forces, frictional forces, atomic forces, molecular forces, Hooke's forces, static forces, nuclear forces (weak and strong), electromagnetic forces, etc.

8. Aug 14, 2004

LURCH

What then of masses that do not produce gravity waves? For example; two neutron stars in low orbit around one another lose energy in theform of gravity waves, and this causes their orbits to decay. But a neutron star sitting alone in space produces no gravity waves. Or are you saying that matter only "evaporates" into gravity waves under certain conditions?

9. Aug 14, 2004

C. Michael Turner

Neutron stars and the nature of the Gravity wave.

Excellent point! How do you know the nuetron star exists? It is producing a whole spectrum of waves or it would be very cold and or invisible. I respectfully disagree with your detection system.

10. Aug 14, 2004

C. Michael Turner

A new THREE- dimensional framework to everything!

assume that for pure knowledge sake you might be interested in understanding the missing link. Spacetime is not the true way to understand the relationship between the concepts of matter, energy, time, space and speed. Relativity is the point of origin mass to energy transfer between matter, bound, and matter, free- the Gravity wave. That is to say that matter evaporates into the gravitational wave creating the actions of space, time and gravitational wave sychronization. Space is the gravitational wave being freed to its lowest form of matter. Time is the cosmological constant -the evaporation rate of matter. There is no real curved spacetime. It is gravitational wave sychronization, gravitational waves aligning through the path of least resistance that brings matter together, that is responsible time and space distortion as the waves elongate just as the dopler effect works in sounds. Instead of the sound wave being shortened or elongated when compared to moving objects the gravity wave is shortened or lengthened, red-blue shift which affects not the action of sound but the actions of time and space. Time and space are actions created by each discrete piece of matter as the matter evaporates into the gravitational wave. Space is the unfolding of matter. Time is the resulting action of the rate of evaporation of the gravitational wave. Relativity- Point of origin mass to energy transfer in wave form.
P.S.- no extra dimensions and no dark energy and dark matter.

11. Aug 14, 2004

Chronos

Neutron stars have been detected. Gravitational waves have not been detected. I vote for Lurch. Try a theory that has observational evidence.

12. Aug 14, 2004

Staff: Mentor

Are you operating under the assumption that gravity waves are EM radiation? If they were, gravitons wouldn't be gravitons, they'd be photons.

13. Aug 15, 2004

C. Michael Turner

A non charged monopole= the gravitational wave. Also detecing a neutron star without a gravitation wave is easy. Understanding the nature of that wave and the properities of the wave and the specifics on detection and production of the wave is hard. ( i.e.- what is the density and pressure of the neutron star, what is the bound state of gravitation? What is the vibrational frequency? It's not as simple as you think

14. Aug 16, 2004

C. Michael Turner

Because the gravitational field of a neutron star is much stronger than that of a white dwarf, the accretion under degenerate conditions leads to much higher temperatures than in the nova outburst. This in turn tends to produce X-rays rather than visible light in the thermonuclear runaway on the surface of the neutron star.

15. Aug 16, 2004

Vern

Why not virtual photons? Then we can get gravity out of EM. Simply assign a property to virtual photons that affects other photons in the way and amount observed.

Keep on chuggin !!

Vern

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16. Aug 16, 2004

Staff: Mentor

Good idea. While I'm at it, I'll assign a cash value to leaves and then money will grow on trees!

17. Aug 16, 2004

C. Michael Turner

The nature of gravitation

Photons have a binding end which means they can still interact, recycle, with mass. The gravity wave does not. Once a gravity wave always a gravity wave= expanding space. Remember that everything is made out of the same thing, so a photon wave is just the three dimensional binding aspect of the gravitational wave. The only thing that truely doesn't age is the gravity wave.

18. Aug 16, 2004

C. Michael Turner

Bumping does not release gravitation to a free state, why do you think it will?

19. Aug 16, 2004

C. Michael Turner

I'm here to show the way and correct general relativity only by showing How it works.

20. Aug 16, 2004

Chronos

Until a unified theory that includes gravity comes along, it is at best premature to assert everything is made of gravity. Any such conjecture is no more than a shot in the dark and has an equally enormous probability of being wrong.

Assuming we ever do find a TOE, I would expect the unified force to be something altogether different from any of the constituent forces. Under current models, the four fundamental forces established their identities in this order: Gravity, Strong force, Weak force and EM. Gravity appears to be the first force to 'break free' from the initial state of the universe. We think this occured right around the first tick of planck time. Obviously, however, something else was going on that we do not understand. Since the universe did not immediately collapse into a black hole, another force had to be at work enabling the universe to undergo enormous inflation before gravity could 'apply the brakes'. In that sense, something akin to dark energy was in complete control of the very early universe. Therefore, it appears at least as likely that everything is made of dark energy. That theory has just as much supporting evidence as the 'made of gravity' theory... none.