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News "The Interview" Cancelled

  1. Dec 17, 2014 #1

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    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-interview-approved-theaters-upping-security/

    So disappointed in the gutless theater chain owners that they would bow to North Korea's fake terrorism threat.
     
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  3. Dec 17, 2014 #2

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    They may be bowing to their finance department --- TV ads didn't generate enough interest, so we'll "hype" it a bit.
     
  4. Dec 17, 2014 #3

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    Is it the theaters, or Sony ?

    I can't blame Sony - how would they explain if some crackpot did blow up a theater? It'd be another Lusitania.

    Does N Korea still harbor resentment over Japanese occupation during WW2?
     
  5. Dec 17, 2014 #4

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    It's insane. Giving N Korea the impression that they have any sort of power in the world just plays into their leaders' psychosis.
     
  6. Dec 17, 2014 #5
    I think it's pretty amazing they are doing this. Granted the first reviews of the movie have been terrible so we're not losing out much. I also can't believe Sony was hacked by DPRK. I mean, I know they did, but wow. Someone was not doing their job.
     
  7. Dec 17, 2014 #6

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    Another vote for the "Rushdie" effect --- I've seen Satanic Verses sitting on a lot of bookshelves, but no one's ever read it, just bought it to irritate Khomeni.
     
  8. Dec 17, 2014 #7

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    Ostensibly it is the theaters: Sony instructed them that they didn't have to screen the movie if they didn't want to (let them out of contracts, I assume), a bunch took them up on that, and with few theaters left to show it, Sony pulled the moot plug.
    They'd only have something to explain if it is a real threat. My main concern is that this opens up a door for others to walk through.
    N Korea hates everyone and Japan is near the top of the list. From what I've read, this movie is absolutely terrible, which makes me wonder if the movie was initiall green-lit by an exec with a grudge.
     
  9. Dec 18, 2014 #8

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    Korea Air lines inflight TV played the Japanese surrender on Missouri when i flew them in 2000.... i wondered if N Korea feels the same.

    I wonder if somebody's baiting Kim to do something really stupid.
     
  10. Dec 18, 2014 #9
    Incredible! It's just a enjoyable movie not even a documentary one.
     
  11. Dec 18, 2014 #10

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    Right on the money. Crackpot blows up theatre playing the movie.
    Sony and theatre chain wide eyed in wonder.

    Did you know that after 911, sports venues have their insurance sponsored by the US government for acts of "blowing up the stadium" - my quote. The bill, renewed every several years is up for adoption. I believe about 2 weeks left before the sports industry is without insurance.

    Insurance for movie theatres might have a parallel in this instance.
     
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  12. Dec 18, 2014 #11
    Theaters are for profit corporate entities...not patriotic ones. The threat of some jack-ass "joe blow" using the media attention of this to do some "terrorist" stunt is way way way too high.

    No kidding N.Korea is an empty threat, surely The Dark Knight shooting is still very real.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2014 #12

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    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/feds-link-hack-to-north-korea-as-sony-cancels-the-105477374742.html
    While NK apparently threatened some physical violence, the theater chains may be more concerned with being hacked.

    Clearly that hacking of SONY was significant.

    Folks should be more careful about links in emails. Clearly, some companies need better security.
     
  14. Dec 18, 2014 #13

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    The whole thing sounds like a PR stunt for a bad movie. They edited most of the only good thing in the movie. (The death scene of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un)
     
  15. Dec 18, 2014 #14

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    I had already made a comment on this in another forum, but I am greatly dismayed by Sony's actions on this (even taking into account that they may have been acting out the wishes of the theatre chains). It's important to keep in mind that the so-called "threats" on theatre chains were, according to reports from Homeland Security and the FBI, were not credible (I highly doubt that North Korean agents would be able to carry out such threats). Furthermore, Sony was far more concerned about how the nameless hackers/criminals (ostensibly working under North Korea) were threatening to release terabytes of data that they had hacked and stolen from them if the movie was released into theatres, essentially giving into blackmail. But what is stopping these hackers from releasing the data anyways, or selling the data to the highest bidder to anyone, be they cyber-criminal, rival company, etc.?

    Frankly, I'm worried that Sony's actions may set a precedent where other hackers may target large companies or other organizations (if they haven't already). I should also note that this whole incident should serve as a giant wake-up call for companies, governments, NGOs and other organizations on the importance of cyber-security, and investing in cyber-security. From what I've heard in the news, Sony's cyber-security measures were an absolute joke -- sensitive data were not encrypted, basic password management were non-existent, etc.

    [As an aside, I was not even particularly all that excited about seeing this movie to begin with. I wouldn't be surprised that all the press attached to this movie will mean that, (a) pirated versions will become available online, and (b) once the film is released, expect to have record sales on opening week, or DVD sales to hit the roof because of the notoriety.]
     
  16. Dec 18, 2014 #15

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    I hardly ever watch movies, but I'm going to watch this one now just because.
     
  17. Dec 18, 2014 #16

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    I think a lot of people are saying that!

    A cynic might think Sony planned it this way all along, but that cynic would be ignorant to the reality of how business operates these days. I think the way Sony has handled this has been an absolute train wreck.
     
  18. Dec 19, 2014 #17

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    That's the whole problem that has been re-occurring, since Salomon Rushdie ( or maybe before that but his case gleaned attention worldwide ) - attempts at organized censorship, and limitations on free speech, not particularily governments controlling the actions of its own citizens, but by groups who feel they are acting in the best interest of ...... ( pick a selection ) , by vehemently showing their displeasure, hoping that others will latch on and/or act on their behalf. ISIS is doing it. Anonymous has done it. Danish artist lost his life over expression. Now someone has done this to Sony. Lawyers, risk assessment, bombastic dictators, henchmen, and the mis-guided are taking their toll.
     
  19. Dec 19, 2014 #18
    There was an incident similar to this "terrorist oppression" here in Ottawa, Canada.

    The shooting at parliament hill inside our "house", one gunman using an "old time" bolt action rifle.

    Initial reports and intuition was this was a "terrorist" attack, this was at about 10:00am. The official announcement of the "terrorist" being shot and killed (by real life hero Kevin Vickers) at 2:00pm......

    The Toronto Maple Leafs were in Ottawa for an evening game, waiting at a downtown Ottawa hotel under "lockdown". The NHL subsequently postponed the game.

    So at the time it appeared as though Ottawa experienced a terrorist attack. In my opinion it would have been very defiant and patriotic to have still played our hockey game.I would have been filled with pride seeing the team be escorted from the hotel to the stadium in order to maintain the schedule of our daily lives.

    In some sense professional sports (mass entertainment) are a pinnacle of a free society. NHL, NFL, NBA, CFL, PGA, multinational sports teams making incredible money through our freedom to choose how we spend our excess monies from our hardwork. I was saddened to see our city "cave" to the oppression of a threat of violence...imagined in our minds. Because in hindsight, this was some mentally ill (diagnosed) individual, with an old timey gun. Also note it is still classed as a terrorist attack lol (think funding for security at the Hill, RCMP) Note our parliament has(had) no Active outside security.

    The threat with this movie, the media attention and the US domestic terrorism threat (stupid people with guns/bombs 'n emotional issues) makes this situation far more serious and likely. Unlike the delusional fears Ottawa had with it's lone gunman who killed one person, the similarity to an actual terrorist attack was happenstance.

    Seen a video of a Crimean lady yelling at a "band" of [russian?] gunmen/soldiers telling them to get out of her community. They yelled back, she yelled louder, they slammed their van door and drove away lol. That took "balls" and got her results, the band of gunmen left her community (obviously no macro impact).

    Perhaps for the US it's too easy to "give up" this mere freedom to congregate en-mass for entertainment, after all it's not like gunmen are in your (U.S.) communities. Oh wait.....oppressed by the 2nd?
     
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  20. Dec 19, 2014 #19

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    One becomes what he idolizes as a kid.
    When in popular culture Butch Cassidy replaced Hopalong the die was cast.

    btw I support our 2nd. And i noticed ca 1984 when one of your convenience store owners in Montreal shot a robber, putting an end to a string of violent holdups, he became a local hero.
     
  21. Dec 19, 2014 #20

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    Sony Pictures Hack May Be Costliest Cyberattack Ever
    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/sony-pictures-hack-may-be-costliest-cyberattack-105530367442.html
    Sony emails show a studio ripe for hacking (Studio network unsecure)
    http://news.yahoo.com/sony-emails-show-studio-ripe-hacking-081527097--finance.html [Broken]

    Lesson - do not include passwords (or sensitive information) in emails, and try not to access emails or website on public (unsecure) networks/WiFi.

    Interestingly - Sony executives say North Korea comedy 'desperately unfunny'
    https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/forge...ea-comedy-desperately-041833732--finance.html
     
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  22. Dec 19, 2014 #21

    There is nothing wrong with someone owning a gun, not in the slightest. lol 1984.

    I'm happy with a criminal leveraging their power over me with a gun, as opposed to it being known I may also be armed, and in turn only those with "nothing" to lose doing the violent crime, effectively making gun duels a reality, or an I'm crazier then you, or I am more manly than you type of stand off.

    Only because of the gun control was it so powerful when a store clerk/owner actually shot back :oldeek:

    For example if Kevin Vickers was not armed how many more casualties would there have been?

    I think it'd be cool to own a gun*...but it is far too much work for to obtain one.

    *not at all interested in owning one.

    Your first comment, I am missing what you're saying.

    My comment saying "oppressed by the second?" is hyperbole, but stands as a point in this case in my opinion.
     
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  23. Dec 19, 2014 #22
    Sony has only said that they won't release it on Christmas as planned.
    Certainly Sony will release it, and it will be much more popular than if there had been no threat.
    And that's the precedent that will be set (or underscored) - that attacking a film will make it more popular.
     
  24. Dec 19, 2014 #23

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    I believe mass entertainment shapes mass behavior.
    In "Thomas Crown Affair" ( the Steve McQueen/Faye Dunaway version not that pitiful remake), the hero stole the money out of his own bank.
    Scarface shoots up the town. Superheroes invoke superhuman powers to vanquish and exact revenge on their tormentors.
    As this deviant behavior becomes less unacceptable life becomes more like the movies. In the old days bad guys always lost. Hollywood should be careful .

    That's all i'm saying. Be careful what examples we set for our kids in their formative years.

    old jim
     
  25. Dec 19, 2014 #24
    I think that is emergent from a crappy business situation. hindsight yes it will likely have a better gross. But the day of the theft must have been tragic from an investment perspective...how brazen it would be for a company to try and use this as a model for releasing future movies.

    That said I think you have a great point with respect to our freedom of speech being at risk via tight controls by movie distributors with respect to what movies they are willing to distribute. If this film turns out to have financially benefited from such "international controversy", surely the path for similar future films is more promising, perhaps one starring Muhammad.
     
  26. Dec 19, 2014 #25

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    From the Fox news ticker just now: Barack Obama says, "The U.S. can't be censored by dictators." The interns updating that ticker aren't the best at transcribing remarks, but if he really made a remark to that effect, we are in deep trouble given the track record of his mouth elsewhere in defense of other nations.
     
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