I found another of my old threads, from PF2, and decided that I would like everyone's opinion on this topic again... Some have said that mathematics is a way of description that was invented by man. Some say that mathematics is causal, and that the universe conforms to mathematics, instead of the other way around. I have a problem with this idea because of the points in This Thread. I personally believe that mathematics is a descriptive language - the best of them - that some are fluent in and others are not. It is a universal language, and is the only one that is without flaw (the only flaw would be in our understanding of mathematical principles). I do not believe that mathematics is man-made, but rather that it is universe-made. But I want to see your opinions. Note: Please give the reason for your choices, unless that reason is already covered in this post.