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The Library of Alexandria -can we rebuild it?

  1. Jan 15, 2005 #1
    What if, we were to take on the task, of building The International Library of Knowledge instead?

    And what if, we designed a community around it, and what if we
    recognized, that we cannot duplicate the Library of Alexandria
    but we could do something equally cool?

    Like create a complex, and have 1000 science exhibits, and 1000
    religious exhibits (of the potential 4,200 in the world) and what if
    we invited Hollywood to creat exhibits of how they have portrayed these
    things over the years, and what if we added the humanities, and a
    better living center, and what if we added a school of higher learning,
    then, then my friends, would we, as men and women of good faith,
    be able, to make history? Forge our own DESTINY? ! out of the
    toil, and the blood, and the SWEAT and the TEARS! of this,
    great civilization we call, the modern world?


    What do you think?

    If you can't access that link it may be because you may need to be a member of myspace.com (blog space) But I think you can read the blog from here...

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  3. Jan 15, 2005 #2


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    I don't know what to make of this. You seem to have put a lot of time into this, yet believe that the Library of Alexandria was in Greece ! I'm glad you decided to have others give their feedback before you walked up to Gates and Allen with a petition.
  4. Jan 15, 2005 #3
    I'm more of a Hanging Gardens type of wonder wanter.
  5. Jan 15, 2005 #4
    It wouldn't be a Library of Alexandria if it wasn't in Alexandria.
  6. Jan 15, 2005 #5

    And that was in Egypt.

    But there is an Alexandria Virginia.
  7. Jan 15, 2005 #6
    Egypt Greece hey we are ALL Greeks when you come right down
    to it in a cosmopolitan world.

    Well I don't want to give the impression that I worked on this alone,
    I am just the poster boy for it.

    There has been a great deal of input and I should gather the minutes
    of the meetings and all that but I don't have them here.

    I will a little later on.

    But the reason for asking Bill and Paul, was to avoid a rush of people
    wanting to donate, and the politics involved.

    They can always offer them some money if they want, and once it is
    up and running then others can donate.

    We were thinking of the basic structures first. And then in conjunction with
    the scientific community and the International Diplomatic Community and
    Hollywood, renovations and modifications can take place.

    So the initial infrastructure is what the Gates and Allen money was for.
  8. Jan 15, 2005 #7
    How will you get around the touchy subject about Gates's first girlfriend? She left Bill for some Greek guy named Alex.
  9. Jan 15, 2005 #8
    there's already another library of alexandria except it's got a different name now. it's called the library of congress.
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  11. Jan 15, 2005 #10
    Well thats nice but in actual fact it doesn't compare to that which we
    are planning to embark on.

    If you examine the image, try and picture two large statues behind
    the library, on the islands behind it.
    One an angel with a globe over its head on the left representing
    religion or spirituality, and on the right a statue of Achiles,
    representing Government and the military.

    The size of the statue of Liberty or thereabouts.

    And two dragons farther back at the channel which opens to the Strait
    of Georgia.

    The idea is to creat a community, not just a library. A place where diplomats,
    and dignitaries and scientists and religious people from all over the world can
    gather to walk the boulevards and discuss great things.

    Hollywood and the very wealthy will have a place there in order to
    learn about the issues and direct their philanthropy, and scientists
    can shmooz with the leaders in their field and others, to provide
    a place where the interdisciplinary science effect, can take place.
    Where a biologist may provide a clue for a horticulturist, or
    a physicist a chemist or etc.

    And the community will advise the UN, and NATO and be a support system
    for the revamped United Nations.
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  12. Jan 15, 2005 #11
    If people would rather fund the project with tax dollars we are not aversed to that.

    But better fund raising mechanisms that tsunamis is what I am thinking of as go forward into the new age of reason and peace.
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    My 2 cents, leave religion out of it. If you want a center for learning, creativity and open thinking, religion is the last thing you want there.
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    The Lighthouse of Alexandria was one of the ancient Seven Wonders of the world. I wonder if it was in sight of the library. Earthquakes and fires were unkind to the great structures of old.
  15. Jan 15, 2005 #14
    Well the reality of the world is there are 4,200 religions in the world.

    And in many places in the world, third world countries in particular it is
    a very important part of their lives.

    And to understand the world and the people you can't turn a blind eye
    to something that is a very big part of the world.

    It is not a science club really, it is a place of understanding, and to
    understand the people I think we need to include that which is
    in the world. Don't you think?
  16. Jan 15, 2005 #15
    I think that natural disaster of any type can at any time threaten the existence
    of mankind. Yellowstone Supervolcano for instance could cause a mass
    extinction event. However people will still be building highrises tomorrow in

    And the San Andreas fault is an earthquake zone. And the statues may
    topple, but I think we have the technology to try and prevent that.

    There is a model of that lighthouse in the vacinity already if I am not mistaken.

    But you know, it isn't the Library of Alexandria, it is something new. Similar,
    but we have the same mandate do we not? To create something for posterity? Something interesting? When was the last time a statue the size
    of the Statue of Liberty was raised?
  17. Jan 16, 2005 #16


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    I'm sorry, but you cannot expect groups with their own specific agendas to "understand" each other. It simply isn't going to happen.
  18. Jan 16, 2005 #17
    Picture this...
    This is what we discussed....

    1000 scientific exhibits to display the current scientific advances.

    Maintained by scientists.
    People in white lab coats, milling about, explaining the exhibits to
    the visiting dignataries.

    Hollywood movie actors and actresses also milling about as hosts
    and hostesses.

    On the grounds to the right, a tropical gardens. Past that a sports
    field, where youth will come to hold their tournaments of the best
    in some sport activity in order to involve youth.

    Past that, a petting zoo, with the purpose of exhibiting genetic enhanced
    pets or animals with the purpose of convincing the populace that what you are doing is safe.

    You see we are going to place, a 30 year moritorium on gentic engineering
    because science has failed to show the people that is safe.
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  20. Jan 16, 2005 #19
    Do you want to showcase a miniature unicorn there?
    Do you want to create a miniature pegasus horse and showcase it there?
    You may not get another opportunity such as this.

    You know, I often wondered what would be better. To have small
    robot gardeners, or genetically manufactured gnomes.

    Who amongst us, could approve such a thing by themselves?

    Shall we who have been given the technology to create, choose to
    create metal monsters, or can we do things better?

    Is it ethical to do so?


    These are the questions which we will need to answer in the near future.
  21. Jan 16, 2005 #20
    Ain't it the truth.

    But then we are not actually going to make the same mistakes are we?
    Examine the difference in architecture.

    This is not a post modern steel and glass tourist exhibit.

    This is a post post modern consciousness raising experience. lol

    On the spiritual side of the grounds, to the left, you have the philosphers
    gardens. A half acre of gardens replete with bronze statues of the most famous philosphers. And as you approach, the Charleton Heston tapes
    begin to speak to you as only Moses could.

    And farther on past that, the old fashioned picnic grounds, complete with calliope, and merry-go-round, and a replica of the Gazebo from Ground Hog Day, where lovers will dance in the moonlight.

    As you enter the Gazebo, Ray Charles will begin to play.

    Picnics on Sunday, and bring a basket.
    The exhibits may be religious, but the left side is about spirituality,
    organized religion will be exhibited, but spirituality covers such things
    as modern family arrangements. Like gay marriages for instance.
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