The Mel Gibson Fiasco

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KalamMekhar
Because we strive to be more than wild animals? Because civilized people have certain expectations for decency? Because good people reject this sort of behavior based on principle?
Last time I checked, animals (wild or domesticated) can't speak. You don't hear monkeys telling each other to go **** themselves. An old man yelling at someone for leeching off of him seems pretty decent to me. Find an old person who doesn't use "racist" language. Show me someone who has never got into a heated argument with a close one, and I will show you someone with no family or friends.
 
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nine.........
 
  • #53
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eleven....
 
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4,3..........
 
  • #55
No one has to put up with anything. Although Gibson was out of control, I tend to believe that his accusations of pumping millions into her failed career are probably based on truth. Sounds like the typical case of an old fool being taken by a young leech. I don't feel either of them are blameless.
Ah, so you're dead set on condemning her.

Even if Gibson did pour money into her career, how does that reflect on his abusive
comments & him demanding her to stop dressing like a vegas slut because
he wont allow it & him claiming she's ruining his life etc... etc...?

The man had every opportunity to leave, especially if he was acting as her sugar daddy he
would have had double the power to leave her.

Nobody said she was blameless, there's simply no way she could be blameless.
However, if you think about the psychology of an abuser they are the one who is going
to drag you down to their depths & if we're going to believe that he was funnelling money
to her trying to build up her career that's only more evidence that he was striving for a
position of power & dominance in oder to control her life & take his anger out on her.

So; he was trying to control how she dressed,
paying millions to control her mode of living (acting),
says that he is her only friend on tape,
threatens her NOT to hang up or else...

At least 4 modes of exerting power & dominance on the tramp who is on his leash, yet she is the one who we should mistrust because she chose to tape this craziness to show the world that the already proven anti-semite homophobe is back to his old ways.
 
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Last time I checked, animals (wild or domesticated) can't speak. You don't hear monkeys telling each other to go **** themselves. An old man yelling at someone for leeching off of him seems pretty decent to me. Find an old person who doesn't use "racist" language. Show me someone who has never got into a heated argument with a close one, and I will show you someone with no family or friends.
So, KalamMekhar, what would we have if stars and celebrities publicly surrendered to their emotions and self-control? How about Miley Cyrus swearing up a storm in front of the kiddies at one of her concerts? Or Oprah Winfrey shooting down whities for transgressions against her? Or President Obama giving Tea Partiers a four-finger salute? What impression will this instill in our youngest generations and what direction will their attitudes go before entering their teens? Is this the Disney World vacation you would like to spend with your family?
 
  • #57
KalamMekhar
So, KalamMekhar, what would we have if stars and celebrities publicly surrendered to their emotions and self-control? How about Miley Cyrus swearing up a storm in front of the kiddies at one of her concerts? Or Oprah Winfrey shooting down whities for transgressions against her? Or President Obama giving Tea Partiers a four-finger salute? What impression will this instill in our youngest generations and what direction will their attitudes go before entering their teens? Is this the Disney World vacation you would like to spend with your family?
Miley Cyrus has already done that (see her EU tour). Oprah does it all the time. Obama gave the finger to everyone but his homies. It is the parents job to teach their kids how to behave, not someone on the movie screen.
 
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Ah, so you're dead set on condemning her.
No, I said neither of them is blameless. Both of them could have left. And there is no telling what she was like behind closed doors.
 
  • #59
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Leave Mel alone.
 
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Miley Cyrus has already done that (see her EU tour). Oprah does it all the time. Obama gave the finger to everyone but his homies. It is the parents job to teach their kids how to behave, not someone on the movie screen.
Yes, parents need to teach their kids how to behave. But one has little to do with the other.

So. With what you've provided here, it's now okay for a celebrity to spew out the N word and other hateful speech publicly? Parent's job is to say, "Don't do what the actor in the movie I took you to see did." Are you serious?
 
  • #61
KalamMekhar
Yes, parents need to teach their kids how to behave. But one has little to do with the other.

So. With what you've provided here, it's now okay for a celebrity to spew out the N word and other hateful speech publicly? Parent's job is to say, "Don't do what the actor in the movie I took you to see did." Are you serious?
Parents choice to bring their child to a movie. I grew up hearing bad words, and watching people do bad things, my parents just told me that that is not the right way to live my life, and I am a respectable adult now.

I didn't go see Rambo, and then go home and shoot a bunch of people, so why should it be any different with language.
 
  • #62
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I agree. You can't always be there when bad inflences are around, and trying to eliminate all of them isn't possible.

Wouldn't it be better to teach your kids the fundamentals of critical thinking and decision making ratherthan try to micromanage the world to be a giant baby cushion?
 
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Parents choice to bring their child to a movie. I grew up hearing bad words, and watching people do bad things, my parents just told me that that is not the right way to live my life, and I am a respectable adult now.

I didn't go see Rambo, and then go home and shoot a bunch of people, so why should it be any different with language.
"Parents choice to bring their child to a movie." --That's not what I wrote and that's not what I'm talking about. So let's start back with clarifying your position: Do you think it's acceptable for a celebrity to spew out hate speech in public (particularly in front of one's child)?
 
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why should I care if someone says cool person or I hate Jews? Why should anyone care.
There is a famous quote attributed to Martin Niemöller and found in various forms on the net. Here is a typical example:

Martin Niemöller said:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392"
 
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  • #65
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wow. That was good.
 
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Regardless of how you feel you have to admire Mel's ability to stay angry through the whole thing. He doesn't let up one bit, get tired, or grow apathetic, he's got stamina!
 
  • #68
He really seems like a fairly common abusive type, with the interesting addition of being a bigot and famous. Beyond that, he doesn't strike me as falling to far from the tree of his father.
 
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