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Hurkyl
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I have a headache. :yuck:
Hurkyl said:I have a headache. :yuck:
Icebreaker said:Well, would you expect them to spend 45 minutes of air time solving an equation?
"Mmm... wait... if we move x here. Hey Bob, what's the trig identity for sine squared x? Aaaaaah what do YOU know... ok, what if I expand these two and extract the constant..." *we'll be right back after these messages*
*and now back to Numb3rs* "... and thus, we integrate by parts by substituting..."
Icebreaker said:Well, would you expect them to spend 45 minutes of air time solving an equation?
"Mmm... wait... if we move x here. Hey Bob, what's the trig identity for sine squared x? Aaaaaah what do YOU know... ok, what if I expand these two and extract the constant..." *we'll be right back after these messages*
*and now back to Numb3rs* "... and thus, we integrate by parts by substituting..."
This is killing me. The "math genius" is telling the FBI that "now that the suspects know you're aware of them, they will change how they operate". WOW, YA THINK? I'll bet the FBI, let alone anyone with half a brain would figure that out by themselves. I think it's called "common sense". But...NO...it's Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle!Moonbear said:It actually might have been more entertaining.
Evo said:This is killing me. The "math genius" is telling the FBI that "now that the suspects know you're aware of them, they will change how they operate". WOW, YA THINK? I'll bet the FBI, let alone anyone with half a brain would figure that out by themselves. I think it's called "common sense". But...NO...it's Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle!
Watching this reminded me why I don't watch network tv shows.
The math wiz "Charlie" looks like our very own genius hunk Gokul. :!) :!)
From this show I understand Charlie graduated from high school. What other schooling has he had?
Charlie's guesses seemed to me based more on logic than math.
I know, that was hysterical! :rofl:Moonbear said:The math truly had no relevance, though it was funny to have the detectives running around saying, "We need a new equation!"
Evo said:I know, that was hysterical! :rofl:
mattmns said:He played minesweeper? Dang I missed it. I, umm, recorded the wrong channel
mattmns said:Dang! I love minesweeper. I recorded comedy central, I was watching reno 911 before and I guess my vcr got on that channel or something, I was not paying attention I guess.
Evo said:This is killing me. The "math genius" is telling the FBI that "now that the suspects know you're aware of them, they will change how they operate". WOW, YA THINK? I'll bet the FBI, let alone anyone with half a brain would figure that out by themselves. I think it's called "common sense". But...NO...it's Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle!
Icebreaker said:Well, even as an analogy, it's poorly done: in HUP, the suspects will change his behaviour as soon as the police is observing suspects, regardless whether the suspects know that fact.
Moonbear said:HUP had nothing whatsoever to do with the example. How many generations of kids are we going to have to deprogram and reteach HUP to when they get to high school and college now? You know they'll remember the wrong explanation from TV far longer than what their teachers taught them.
They also fail to realize the difference between probability and certainty.
Maybe we should all write to CBS and tell them we'll be watching 20/20 from now on, and hope they cancel the show quickly, before it does too much damage.
graphic7 said:Or they could issue an advisory before the show starts stating, "This show is purely ficitious and nothing presented should be classified as factual."
That is exactly how it was explained! It's probably a good thing you missed it.franznietzsche said:They took Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and twisted it like that? OH MY GOD. Thats as bad as saying that according to HUP, once you see a giraffe mate, they'll change how you do because you observed them--HUP IS NOT EVEN APPLICABLE.
Icebreaker said:Well, even as an analogy, it's poorly done: in HUP, the suspects will change his behaviour as soon as the police is observing suspects, regardless whether the suspects know that fact.
polyb said:only these mystical wizards with superpowers can actually do math!
ICebreaker said:How would you rate the way the Nash equilibrium was "explained" in A Beautiful Mind?
Nash proved by page 6 of his thesis that ever n-person finite non-cooperative game has at least one (Nash) equilibrium point. This is a profile of mixed strategies, one for each player, which is such that no one player can improve his payoff by changing his mixed strategy unilaterally.
Icebreaker said:Wouldn't you describe an effect of HUP as being "changing the results by measuring?" What analogy would you form, then, to explain it?
Icebreaker said:You're too literal. You can certainly use an example, say, poking a beehive and the consequences thereof, as an analogy of Newton's third law.
franznietzsche said:But i am superman!
polyb said::rofl:
OK 'superman', able to solve an ODEs in a couple of lines, try this!
Reductio ad absurdum-there is truly only one operation in mathematics. Care to guess?
franznietzsche said:ODEs are much easier than NLDEs, particularly second order ones. Bring out the programming skills for those.
As for the one true operation...
...this is probably wrong, but here is my guess and justification for:
Addition.
Subtraction is simply adddtion of a negative number.
Multiplication is simply repeated addition.
Division is repeated subtraction is repeated addition of a negative number.
Exponentiation is repeated multiplication is repeated addition.
Trig functions are not true operations, but functions.
polyb said:YEEEAH! You should get a prize or a pretzel, just don't choke on it! :rofl: As absurd as it sounds, I have not found anything to counter the claim! Strange isn't it, you spend all this time really just learning snazzy ways of adding things up! :rofl:
You'll never find an exact solution to any NLDE, so you goto Euler's house or you call up that japanese pop band RK4. Plus as soon as you change the boundry conditions by an infinitesimal you get a completely different result. Now if you add noise though, some systems do tend to 'behave' more. The irony is that reality is a huge system of NLDE's and at best the ODEs are a first order apporixamtion of sorts!
polyb said:YEEEAH! You should get a prize or a pretzel, just don't choke on it! :rofl: As absurd as it sounds, I have not found anything to counter the claim! Strange isn't it, you spend all this time really just learning snazzy ways of adding things up! :rofl:
You'll never find an exact solution to any NLDE, so you goto Euler's house or you call up that japanese pop band RK4. Plus as soon as you change the boundry conditions by an infinitesimal you get a completely different result. Now if you add noise though, some systems do tend to 'behave' more. The irony is that reality is a huge system of NLDE's and at best the ODEs are a first order apporixamtion of sorts!
polyb said:You'll never find an exact solution to any NLDE, so you goto Euler's house or you call up that japanese pop band RK4. Plus as soon as you change the boundry conditions by an infinitesimal you get a completely different result.
You can, I guess, but it doesn't convey any accurate or meaningful information to do so.Icebreaker said:You're too literal. You can certainly use an example, say, poking a beehive and the consequences thereof, as an analogy of Newton's third law.