The O'Hare UFO

  1. Ivan Seeking

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    It seems reasonable to start a thread about this. Please feel free to post any pertinent information. For starters, see the main page of NUFORC - The National UFO Reporting Center.
    http://www.nuforc.org/

    This is the report database for Illinois. See November 7th, 2006.
    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlIL.html

    Also
    http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/01/02/25212.aspx

    If you check post 78 of the UFO News thread, you will see that there have been three other UFO events involving multiple witnesses around the Chicago area in the last two years.
     
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  3. He could upload the picture anonymously. I dont understand what the problem is. Is airline personel not allowed to take pictures of the sky?
     
  4. Ivan Seeking

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    He may be holding out for money, or he might be rushing to fake a video.

    As for airline personnel being allowed to take photos, it has long been claimed by pilots that to discuss UFOs is to put one's career in jeopardy. Most pilots only speak out after retiring. Note for example that in the case of JAL 1628, the pilot had to sue the airlines in order to get his job back. He did win in court because of the evidence available to support his claim. So in the airline industry especially, there is reason to be concerned about your job if you see a UFO.

    It is all part of the lunacy of the stigma attached to such reports.
     
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  5. I'm kicking myself now because I live near O'hare, and didn't stick my head out the window.


    One of the official debunks was that the UFO was not seen on radar, hence it can't be an object. But who's to say that UFO wouldnot be reflacting radio waves especially when they are so advanced.
     
  6. Aether

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    See one, or report one?
    Are you assuming this, or do you have statistics on the motives of pilots who choose not to report UFO sightings?

    I recently asked a retired air-traffic controller (who is also still-licensed as a commercial pilot, and who has many years of experience handling air traffic at both Andrews Air Force Base and Washington National airport) about "why pilots and air traffic controllers are reluctant to report UFO sightings", and he didn't say anything at all about "the stigma attached to such reports". He said that "the government doesn't want this information given to the public".
     
  7. Ivan Seeking

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    My statements are based on many statements made by pilots over the last twenty years. I'm sure that plenty of quotes can be found at links in the Napster. I also cited a specific example of a pilot who lost his job over a UFO report. Obviously the problems only happen if one reports what one sees. Also, pilots and air traffic controllers aren't privy to classified information so I doubt the conspiracy angle. Perhaps in some cases the military asks people to keep quiet, but it is hard to understand how that would happen since the government no longer investigates UFO reports.
     
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  8. Ivan Seeking

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    Still, one has to wonder: If twelve airline employees, including pilots, claimed to see an unidentified aircraft hovering over an airport, and since stealt technology is now a public fact of life, why would the FAA not be interested in investigating? Does this or does this not pose a potential threat to public safety?

    Why would they not assume, for example, that this was potentially some kind of college prank or an illegal test?
     
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  9. Evo

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    You'd have to think these witnesses, being at airports all the time could tell the difference. With this many credible witnesses, you'd think they'd do some sort of investuigation. Unless the authorities already know what is was and want to keep it quiet, perhaps some test aircraft.
     
  10. Ivan Seeking

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    Gate 17 at O'Hare, at 4:40 PM, is sure a funny time and place to test a new aircraft.

    Maybe with additional information this will all make sense. Also, from the main page at NUFORC
    http://www.nuforc.org/
     
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  11. Ivan Seeking

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    For more information, see also the Jan 3rd entry at the accuweather blog:
    Chicago UFO: Weather Phenomenon?
    http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache...tions+O'Hare+records&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

    NPR interview with the chicago Tribune reporter who broke the story by filing a Freedom of Information Act request.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6707250
     
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  12. Ivan Seeking

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    The only thing that I can think of that might make sense is that this was [something like] a stray weather balloon caught in a vortex or an updraft. However, the observers described it as disk-shaped, so the locations of the observers, and the percieved orientation of the disk from each location is signficant here.
     
  13. Ivan Seeking

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    The descriptions here reminded of a video made near Somerset, England, back in 1998. It can be seen at about the 56 minute mark here:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5594744703753734741

    They also provide a few highlights from the case files:
    Malmstrom AFB
    Big Sur missile test
    Bentwaters AFB
    Iran ’76 F4 encounters
    A bit about Soviet UFO encounters
    The Condon Report
    The COMETA report

    Also, comments by:
    Presidents Ford and Carter
    Dr. Sturrock on the Condon Report
    Ed Mitchell
    Gordon Cooper
    Allan Hynek makes his famous swamp gas statement
    Phillip Corso – former Chief of Foreign Technology at the Pentagon
    Congressman Schiff on Roswell
    Admiral Lord Hill Norton – former Chief of the British Defense Staff
    And others well known to the UFO community
     
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  14. Ivan Seeking

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    I have never seen a case file.
     
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    http://ufos.about.com/b/a/256843.htm
     
  16. Ivan Seeking

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    http://ufos.about.com/b/a/256839.htm
     
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    Concerning earlier postings about ridicule of pilots, please consider this quote from http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc3.htm

    Ten years and $10,000 fine is a pretty strong incentive to keep your mouth shut, if this is true.
     
  18. Ivan Seeking

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    I believe that the JANAP 146E document relaxed the requirements for commercial airline pilots imposed by JANAP 146.
     
  19. Chronos

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    For a pilot to log having 'seen' a UFO is like a ship captain logging having 'seen' a sea monster. Not a good career move. I yield great credence to those foolhardy enough to register such observations while still employed. These are people who are familiar with what does, and does not, belong in the sky. I'm not sold on ET [unless ET was tippling on a bottle of dumbass while hovering over O'Hare at rush hour], but, this is a classic case of 'what the heck was that?'
     
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