Is Newtonian gravity still relevant in modern physics?

In summary, Newtonian gravity is still taught because it is a reasonably accurate model for many situations, but Einstein's gravity is the more accurate theory for some applications.
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Just a small newbie question. If Newtonian gravity is outdated and therefore inaccurate, why is it still taught?

Surely the fact that Einstein's gravity is right takes priority over the fact that Newton's method is easier.

Am I being ridiculous?

Mahmoud.
 
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SpanishOmelette said:
Just a small newbie question. If Newtonian gravity is outdated and therefore inaccurate, why is it still taught?

Surely the fact that Einstein's gravity is right takes priority over the fact that Newton's method is easier.

Start with Asimov's classic essay http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
 
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On scales comparable to a human being, Newton's theory is accurate enough.
GR only becomes necessary when describing objects on very large scales and very high speeds..
It makes no practical difference in the case of ,for example, civil engineering projects, or building vehicles.
It would just make things vastly more complicated and produce no useful improvement.
In some cases though we do need to use GR, such as in synchronisation of GPS satellites.
 
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SpanishOmelette said:
Just a small newbie question. If Newtonian gravity is outdated and therefore inaccurate, why is it still taught?

Surely the fact that Einstein's gravity is right takes priority over the fact that Newton's method is easier.

Am I being ridiculous?

Mahmoud.
In this case, yes.

Newton's laws are still taught because, on the whole for many applications, they give reasonably correct answers. It is only in extreme cases where the discrepancy between the Newtonian and the Einsteinian theories can be measured with any accuracy. Often in pedagogy, it is desirable to introduce concepts gradually, starting with simple models and then progressing to more complex topics as needed, rather than starting with the most complex concepts.
 
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Or look at this way.
If I want to design a weighing machine suitable for a shopkeeper selling vegetables, I can do this using Newton's laws and a make a highly accurate machine for the purpose.
I don't need to consider the possibility of billion ton vegetables moving close to light speed.
 
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The Apollo program used Newtonian gravity, not general relativity.
 
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SpanishOmelette said:
Surely the fact that Einstein's gravity is right takes priority over the fact that Newton's method is easier.
Hmm, I think this may be symptomatic of a misunderstanding of what science does. Science is about finding accurate models. Newtonian gravity has been experimentally confirmed to be a very accurate model for many situations. In those situations it is every bit as "right" as GR.
 
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In physics, you use the simplest model that suits your purpose. Whichever error there may is included in the uncertainty.
 
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If you want to understand the dynamics of a huge gravitational source as accurately as possible, use GR. If you want to be able to calculate anyone of the millions of things that involve gravity but don't require the accuracy you can get with GR, use Newtonian gravity. It's about 10,000 times simpler. Remember that many people who learn science don't become researchers, but engineers, who don't care what the most accurate theory is. They only care they have something that works well enough and is simple enough to use in their jobs.
 
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The correspondence principle implies that Newtonian gravity is not wrong; it's just not as complete as GR. This means that GR can be trusted up to higher energy scales than Newton. But GR itself is also not complete; we suspect that for certain energy scales GR will break down too.

If I want to describe a cannonball flying through the air, according to your reasoning I would have to use string theory or loop quantum gravity instead of classical physics to describe its motion. Good luck with that.
 

1. What is the old Newtonian gravity?

The old Newtonian gravity is a theory proposed by Sir Isaac Newton in the 17th century to explain the force of attraction between objects with mass. It states that every object in the universe exerts a force of attraction on every other object, and the strength of this force depends on the mass of the objects and the distance between them.

2. How does the old Newtonian gravity differ from Einstein's theory of general relativity?

The main difference between the old Newtonian gravity and general relativity is that the latter takes into account the curvature of space-time caused by massive objects, while the former assumes that space and time are fixed and absolute. General relativity has been proven to be more accurate in explaining the behavior of gravity in extreme conditions, such as near black holes or during the early stages of the universe.

3. Is the old Newtonian gravity still used in modern science?

Yes, the old Newtonian gravity is still used in many fields of science, particularly in classical mechanics and astronomy. It is a simplified version of gravity that is easier to use for most everyday applications and provides accurate results for most situations. However, it is not sufficient to explain certain phenomena, such as the precession of Mercury's orbit, which required the development of general relativity.

4. What are the limitations of the old Newtonian gravity?

The old Newtonian gravity has some limitations, such as its inability to explain the bending of light around massive objects and the gravitational time dilation. It also cannot account for the observed anomalies in the orbit of Mercury and the rotation of galaxies. These limitations led to the development of general relativity, which provides a more complete and accurate understanding of gravity.

5. Can the old Newtonian gravity be applied to all objects in the universe?

No, the old Newtonian gravity is only applicable to objects with a relatively low mass and moving at speeds much slower than the speed of light. It breaks down in extreme conditions, such as near black holes or during the early stages of the universe, where general relativity is needed. Additionally, the old Newtonian gravity does not take into account the effects of quantum mechanics, which are necessary to describe the behavior of subatomic particles.

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