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Icebreaker
If every part of a ship is replaced once, is it still the same ship?
Icebreaker said:If every part of a ship is replaced once, is it still the same ship?
russ_watters said:I think SA's implication provides its own explanation: because what makes it a "ship" is the arrangement of the parts, not the parts themselves. That's why the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Icebreaker said:If every part of a ship is replaced once, is it still the same ship?
Not true at all. Take a pile of parts and try to sell it for the same price as a fully-assembled ship and see if you can. If nothing else, the labor required to build it is part of the cost of the ship and that is not a price that's included in the sum of the parts alone.<<<GUILLE>>> said:the sum of the parts can never be greater or smaller than the total. because then the total, is a different total. it is the total of the sum of the parts now.
russ_watters said:Not true at all. Take a pile of parts and try to sell it for the same price as a fully-assembled ship and see if you can. If nothing else, the labor required to build it is part of the cost of the ship and that is not a price that's included in the sum of the parts alone.
Are you being purposely obtuse? That's exactly what is meant by the statement!<<<GUILLE>>> said:oh, no.
Don't use this logic to proof. I am saying that the sum of the parts is always eqaul to the total: and this IS TRUE no matter what you say. What you demostrated me, and in a very particular way that I find very interesting, is that the cost of the parts isn't equal to the cost of the boat.
russ_watters said:Are you being purposely obtuse? That's exactly what is meant by the statement!
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" is a very, very common saying. In this case, what it means is that the boat is worth more than the sum of its parts. Have you just not heard it before?
because what makes it a "ship" is the arrangement of the parts, not the parts themselves. That's why the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
It depends on how you define "same." If you mean the physical structure and appearance, then yes, it would still be considered the same ship. However, if you mean the original materials and components, then technically it would not be the same ship.
The functionality of the ship would depend on the quality and compatibility of the new parts. If the replacement parts are of equal or better quality and are compatible with the original design, then it should still function the same. However, if the replacement parts are not compatible or of lower quality, then the functionality may be affected.
It would depend on which part is left. If the remaining part is the core or essential component of the ship, then it could still be considered the same ship. However, if the remaining part is a minor component, then it may not be considered the same ship.
Again, it depends on your definition of "new." Technically, it would be a new ship in terms of materials and components. However, if the design and purpose of the ship remain the same, then it could also be considered the same ship in a broader sense.
The significance would depend on the reason for the replacements. If it is for routine maintenance and upgrades, then it can help prolong the lifespan and efficiency of the ship. However, if it is due to damage or malfunction, it could indicate potential issues with the ship's design or maintenance practices.