The SM masters having fun in Iraqs prison

[jimmy p]

Unfortunately it emerged last week that Australian intelligence officers were present in Abu Ghraib and other such places as observers, and our defence force knew all about it for quite some time. John Howard is claiming "Heck, nobody told me!" once again, just as with the "children overboard" thing. However, as you say, there has been no suggestion of them actually participating. But to me, that is not enough. They should have made their own records, and forwarded the records to the PM, and he should have forwarded them to the UN.

Which surely makes those military personnel as bent as the abusive soldiers.

 

[Adam]

It certainly doesn't make them saints.

 

[pelastration]

General Granted Latitude At Prison
Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics
Saturday, June 12, 2004; Page A01

Quotes from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35612-2004Jun11.html

Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior U.S. military officer in Iraq, borrowed heavily from a list of high-pressure interrogation tactics used at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and approved letting senior officials at a Baghdad jail use military dogs, temperature extremes, reversed sleep patterns, sensory deprivation, and diets of bread and water on detainees whenever they wished, according to newly obtained documents.

The U.S. policy, details of which have not been previously disclosed, was approved in early September, shortly after an Army general sent from Washington completed his inspection of the Abu Ghraib jail and then returned to brief Pentagon officials on his ideas for using military police there to help implement the new high-pressure methods.

The documents obtained by The Washington Post spell out in greater detail than previously known the interrogation tactics Sanchez authorized, and make clear for the first time that, before last October, they could be imposed without first seeking the approval of anyone outside the prison. That gave officers at Abu Ghraib wide latitude in handling detainees.

Unnamed officials at the Florida headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, which has overall military responsibility for Iraq, objected to some of the 32 interrogation tactics approved by Sanchez in September, including the more severe methods that he had said could be used at any time in Abu Ghraib with the consent of the interrogation officer in charge.

 

[pelastration]

Like DOGS

Abu Ghraib General Says Told Prisoners 'Like Dogs'
Tue Jun 15, 2004 05:56 AM ET

Quotes from: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5424274

LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S. general in charge of Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was told by a military intelligence commander that detainees should be treated like dogs, she said in an interview broadcast on Tuesday.

Janis Karpinski, the one-star general responsible for the military police who ran prisons in Iraq when pictures were taken showing prisoners being abused, said she and her soldiers were being made scapegoats for abuse ordered by others.

In the interview with Britain's BBC radio, Karpinski said Geoffrey Miller, a two-star general sent to Iraq from the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, had ordered new procedures in cell blocs where Iraqis were interrogated.

"He said, at Guantanamo Bay we've learned that the prisoners have to earn every single thing they have," Karpinski said.

"He said they are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them."

and more ...

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Mr. Geoffrey Miller - a General - with profound insight in human rights - is actually the man in charge for all prisons in Iraq. Probably he call a prison a Zoo.

Added: Link to BBC Audio interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40273000/rm/_40273233_karpinski07_notari.ram

 

[pelastration]

Here is a Washington Post link with several White House, Pentagon and Justice Department documents about interrogation policies and about the motivation on the (lack of) rights of some prisoners.

Some quotes of http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62516-2004Jun22.html


Feb. 1, 2002: Letter to President Bush From the Attorney General (49KB; from FindLaw)
The memo by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft summarized the Justice Department's position on why the Geneva Convention did not apply to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. The memo was Ashcroft's personal response to the State Department position that, as a matter of law, the Geneva Conventions protected Taliban soldiers. Ashcroft warned that if the president sided with the State Department, American officials might wind up going to jail for violating U.S. and international laws.


Feb. 7, 2002: Justice Department Memo to the White House Counsel (49KB; from FindLaw)
A memo written by Jay S. Bybee, then head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, advised White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales that the president had "reasonable factual grounds" to determine that Taliban fighters captured in Afghanistan were not entitled to prisoner of war status.

 

[pelastration]

Why?

Ever asked why we don't see anymore photo's about the prison abuse. There are still many photo's out there never published. Senators said they were more violent. So?
Has the administration put some ban on it, pressed or warned newspapers and publishers?

 

[studentx]

Might it be that innocent people are being killed because of it?
I don't think there is any benefit to showing them. Perhaps to get the truth out there, but there are already dozens of innocent lifes taken because of anger over these photos. There are also countries who ban the Alqueda beheading videos. Most people don't even want to see those, but strangely enough do want to see Americans abusing others. Perhaps they only want to have their opinion of America confirmed?

 

[automaton]

Neurobiofeedback

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=neurobiofeedback

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+brainwashing+

given the brainwashabilty clearly available through malevolent use of this tek

what are the idiots doing :yuck:

induced on hypnotic with a psychedelic drip iv
the highly trained victim is able to manipulate the neuro/biofeedback toys
ie pet/cat /eeg emg etc..

Till the reprogramming started

conciously the tech manipulated the feedback
as Shadern the threat began to feel the lsd21

a psychotomimetic state with now ingrained neurophysiologic psycho/neuroelectronic routines going awry :shy:
should this be common knowledge :blush:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...washing+electroconvulsive+therapy&btnG=Search

duh

 

[pelastration]

Might it be that innocent people are being killed because of it?
I don't think there is any benefit to showing them. Perhaps to get the truth out there, but there are already dozens of innocent lifes taken because of anger over these photos.

Yes that may be correct.

 

[Njorl]

Why?

Ever asked why we don't see anymore photo's about the prison abuse. There are still many photo's out there never published. Senators said they were more violent. So?
Has the administration put some ban on it, pressed or warned newspapers and publishers?

When it stops being news it starts being pornography. Shortly thereafter, the news stops showing it.

Njorl

 

[revelator]

We don't really need to see more. It's fuelling more violence, and moreover we already know there are more pictures and video of evidence, which are apprently all the more disgusting. This has been freely admitted by the admin and is not under debate. The goal now, is to determine who's responsible, and see that they pay.

 

[automaton]

a scientologist with a bent needle e meter is..

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/vosper/index.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ack+psychoneurolinguistics&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+brainwashing+

exposed cult secrets and the best they could inhumanely do was
a poopy s&m #
literally

neurobiofeedback psychoneurolinguistics=wash and wax

 

[Adam]

The goal now, is to determine who's responsible, and see that they pay.

That would be George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their coterie.

 

[revelator]

I can't imagine they'll see any sort of punishment for this.

 

[phoenixy]

http://www.starkeith.net/coredump/2004/06/ashcroft-torture.html

See it, laught at it, and believe it!

 

[automaton]

stop vetching as though something is fair in aberrant war minds
realize the cyber-neuro tech available
fortunately they are not in fast track

understand prisoners everywhere face the banality of s&m
kindly not
caredeprivers

people pay to be mutilated captives
read beneath and between the supposed news and media glitz

talk about a mind assault

 

[automaton]

future track unassailed

stop vetching as though something is fair in aberrant war minds :yuck:
realize the cyber-neuro tech available
fortunately they are not in fast track :tongue2:

understand prisoners everywhere face the banality of s&m
kindly not
caredeprivers :surprise:

people pay to be mutilated captives

read beneath and between the supposed news and media glitz

talk about a total mind assault

 

[revelator]

I'm sorry, I'm not following.

 

[pelastration]

It seems there is more to come.

Quotes from: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10156212%255E663,00.html + a nice photo of nature-born killer Rummy.

Allies reel as abuse row grows

17jul04

WASHINGTON - New cases of alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers have been uncovered.

The news comes three months after US media broadcast photos of detainees being sexually humiliated at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison.

"We're still uncovering, as late as this morning, other incidents, other cases that will be promptly investigated by the Department of Defence," Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John Warner said.

Senator Warner, a Republican, said there were possible violations of the Geneva Convention and Defence Department rules and regulations.

However, a Republican congressional source said the Pentagon was "dragging its feet and intends to postpone any hearing until after" the November 2 presidential election.

"There's a lot of frustration over here," he said.

Senator Warner said Pentagon officials also showed senators 24 confidential documents from the International Committee of the Red Cross.

 

[JohnDubYa]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,634638,00.html

But the story looks pretty dubious to me.