The Susskind "Counter Information Paradox? Recent programme here in the UK deals with the "Hawking Paradox",: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/hawking_prog_summary.shtml The programme has two opposing views on Blackholes, Hawkings take and Susskind's take on BH "information" effects. But the really interesting thing to emerge from the programme, is the very suspect conference held in san-fran in 1980, does anyone know anything about this, and the conference organizer, Werner Heirhart? 1980: The programme detailed an interesting overview of Susskind's Academic history. This history was (according to the programme details), not in any particular area of Theoretical Physics. Susskind entered the Theoretical arena after meeting Hawking whilst attending a conference organized by a wealthy benefactor named, Werner Heirhart. The programme states that he (Heirhart),started out as a "car-salesman", and ventured into "Therapy" , of which involved a very suspect process of, psychological re-programming!. Susskinds own words on HES (Heirhart Seminar Training)?:They would put people in a room, keep them there for 16 hrs, not let them go to the bathroom, harrang them harrass, them and as a consequence of this they would emerge completely different people! [Was Susskind actually giving a first hand account of his own personal re-training experience?] So one has to ask was Susskind "reprogrammed", by the ex-carsalesman, or by hearing of Hawkings "information Paradox" at the unlikely meeting? Heirhart, who's mansion was in San Fransisco, and was the venue at which Susskind was attending, Heirhart claimed that his methods were somehow scientific! Hawking quote:Blackholes are places where space and time come to an end end and matter is crushed out of existence, if we could we understand how time comes to an end in Blackholes, it might help us understand how time began in the Big-Bang. Susskind's problems seems to have its roots contained within the "Hawking Paradox", which states that information is lost forever to the singularity within a Stellar Blackhole event horizon. This seems to have had a profound effect on Susskind. Susskind first heard of this when attending the above conference (which he appeared to be attending for un-related "psychological reasons", as he was at that time, not a theoretical bh physicist), and hawking was giving a talk on the "information Paradox". So there appears to be two fundamental factors that are really interesting, the first being that in 1980, Susskind was at a carreer "no-mans-land" and was going to an ex-car-salesman's mansion, for some psychological re-directional therapy? by a man who moved into a very suspect branch of Human re-conditioning, Werner Heirhart. Hawking was there to give a talk on his most recent "information paradox" work, the fact that the venue was attended by a large number of worldwide scientists, influenced by the no doubt, conference organizer's many inticing sweetners provided by their wealthy host? Here is a link for the IF Susskind's::http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/susskind03/susskind_index.html Now one has to ask if Susskind has a "conditional" psychological streak, emerging from his 1980's dealing with the car-salesman Heirhart? that is still running and active, which he, through his academic position at Stanford? Is this where the "Anthropic Conditioning" school of thinkers has emerged from?..with Susskind in the position of Psychological Kingpin! I am going to delve further into the actual Hawking "information Paradox", as Susskinds Anthropic, "Counter-Information-Paradox" seems to have its roots, by fact of Susskinds very..very suspect early 80's conference meetings?