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The War on Brats

  1. I'm all for binding and gagging the rugrats so I can enjoy my mocha frappe at Starbucks.

    26 vote(s)
    76.5%
  2. Leave the kids alone. Kids should do whatever they want, when they want.

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. I could care less.

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%
  1. Nov 22, 2005 #1

    FredGarvin

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    http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0511/20/A23-387307.htm [Broken]
    I'm curious to see what others think about this. I have to admit that I fall on the side of saying BRAVO. While I don't have anything against kids in public, it does make me angry when I see a kid going nuts in a public place and the parents have their blinders on with their "selective hearing."
     
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  3. Nov 22, 2005 #2
    This reminds me of when I saw a kid who could not have possibly been older than 4 have a grande coffee at starbucks. Not only that, but it was also 9:30pm!
     
  4. Nov 22, 2005 #3

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    Cafe's and Bistros, nice restaurants are NOT the place for small children. You want to take your kids out to eat and they're too young or too undisciplined for a nice place? Take them someplace appropriate, like McDonald's.

    The dumbest thing I read in that story was the mother that said
    :bugeye: Gee, did it ever occur to her that if you want to enjoy yourself at a cafe, not to take your kids, that way others can also enjoy the cafe? I cannot believe some people are that self centered that and think only of themselves. Hey, you bring your kids-you're paying for my meal. :mad:

    Oh, here's another gem
    How can anyone rest and relax with your kid screaming and bouncing up and down?
     
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  5. Nov 22, 2005 #4

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    I say good for him! Though, as tempting as it is to say "bind and gag" the kids, that's not truly how I feel. There is an option between that and letting them do whatever they want, which is to teach them to be respectful when out in public. What sort of a place is a coffee shop for children anyway? Pick up your coffee to-go, and head to a park or playground to drink it while the kids can be kids, don't force your kids upon everyone else in the place because you can't be bothered to take them to an appropriate location to play (no kid can sit still that long while the grown-ups just talk...that's just common sense). But if all the people with loud children boycott the place, just wait and see it become populated with the childless set, or the people who found a babysitter and want an hour of quiet to meet up with a friend and talk without the din of children screaming.

    And, the way the sign was phrased, there's nothing offensive. That's exactly the way I've heard many parents give instructions to their children..."you need to use your inside voice here." I think it was a very nice way of saying it, actually. Gosh, "no shirt, no shoes, no service" is more harsh than that sign. I'm sure he's not going to miss the customers who take offense at such a sign.
     
  6. Nov 22, 2005 #5

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    I felt obliged to send the following to the newspaper:

    Three cheers for Dan McCauley! If the parents of those hideous little noise-bombs want to relax in a restaurant, they should hire a babysitter. What about the rest of us who want to relax without having those unmuffled bugs flying around in our faces?

    Well-behaved kids are fine, but those uncontrolled ones make everyone's outing miserable. (Down, Arildno... not that kind of outing.) When I was bartending/waitering I once told a woman to either take her kid outside or shoot it.
     
  7. Nov 22, 2005 #6

    Integral

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    Good for him! Kids, You spend 5yrs teaching them to walk and talk then the rest of your life telling them to sit down and shut up!

    I think any kid under 12 ought to be stored in a barrel and fed through a tube. :devil:






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    Kids like any other small animal needs to have some discipline in their life, to not provide this leads to the self centered clowns who think that it is impossible to stop kids from misbehaving. I think my generation has screwed up big time by putting children before all else in family matters. Every person needs to learn at some point in life that they are not the center of the universe. The earlier the better.
     
  8. Nov 22, 2005 #7
    Bravo indeed :approve:
     
  9. Nov 22, 2005 #8

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    I'm with the owner on this one. Stick to your guns, Dan! The cafe owner is just telling it like it is, and not everyone wants to hear what he has to say. Tough cookies.

    Moms and Dads who bring their well-behaved children in have no reason to be offended by the sign. It's nothing more than a reinforcement of what they are already teaching their kids anyway. I think it's only the parents of the uncontrollable terrors who are making all the fuss about this.

    Some parents seem to refuse to believe that their precious little darlings could be viewed by anyone as obnoxious. I've certainly had enough run-ins with wild children at restaurants. The parents don't even care if the child crawls over the top of their booth into mine! If they bother to notice at all they just chuckle at the kid's behavior. They think I should be delighted that their little Joey has taken an interest in me!
     
  10. Nov 22, 2005 #9
    With respect, the poll in this thread is deficient in choices. I agree entirely with everyone else in here, but I'm not voting to have people bound and gagged in a cafe.
     
  11. Nov 22, 2005 #10

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    I wouldn't be caught dead in a Starbucks either, but I still voted for that one. :biggrin: (He did leave out the obvious option of taking the little bastards out back and hucking them into the freezer.)
     
  12. Nov 22, 2005 #11

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    Well, of course not, that would be disruptive. They should be bound and gagged and tossed in the storage room. :rofl:

    I think the bottom line is that parents should take their kids to kid-appropriate places, and if they need to take them to a place that is supposed to be a quiet gathering place for adults, then they need to teach them to be appropriately behaved so nobody feels the urge to bind and gag them. :approve:
     
  13. Nov 22, 2005 #12

    ShawnD

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    Store owners can do whatever they want. It's their store. If you don't like it, get out.
     
  14. Nov 22, 2005 #13

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    :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!) :!!)

    I have renewed hope in mankind
     
  15. Nov 22, 2005 #14

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Im totally for binding and gagging them. It would be a fun experience for the kid too probably. Something to remember when hes older... possibly in the psychiatrists office.

    I would soooooo go out and march and protest and demand a "non-children" section law though. I mean like someone said, theres a no smoking section that discriminates against smokers... why not a no-child section that discriminates against mothers who don't disclipline their kids/know that they belong at mcdonalds.
     
  16. Nov 22, 2005 #15
    Ack! That'll just cause the childhood obesity rate to skyrocket! If these parents nowadays can't control their own children's behavior, how are they going to manage their diet when they are at McDonalds? If they can't discipline them, they sure as well won't make sure that they eat healthy.

    It'll just cause another generation of McChildren :bugeye:.
     
  17. Nov 22, 2005 #16

    Pengwuino

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    Then feed your kids at home, all problems solved.
     
  18. Nov 22, 2005 #17

    FredGarvin

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    I was talking about this at work with some people and got a very different response. I was somewhat shocked.

    I was being facetious with the poll responses. I wasn't just going to say "aggree-disagree." That would be snoozeville.

    I almost spit my drink out when I read those quotes as well. I couldn't believe that these people said something like that. Do these people think that their kids really aren't annoying other people because they are their kids? Is that it?

    Oh. For the record; I am a total coffee snob. I wouldn't be caught dead in a Starbucks.
     
  19. Nov 22, 2005 #18

    Hardly. As kids my brothers, cousins, and I pretty much only ate out at McDonalds. Which is not to say we ate there often, we usually ate at home. But our parents were smart enough to know not to take a half dozen kids under 10 to somewhere nice. I think the only times we ever ate in nice places were religious functions, first communion banquets, a few wedding banquets, etc. And none of us became McChildren. In fact, my grand parents once came to visit and thought I was anorexic. Until we had dinner anyway.
     
  20. Nov 22, 2005 #19

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    That's how I was raised too. McDonald's was a rare treat, and because it was such a treat, we had incentive to behave extremely well so we'd get to go back again. It's a good way to teach a child restaurant manners in a setting where mistakes can be tolerated. Of course, we were also taught proper table manners at home (not to the extent that Evo got grilled on etiquette as a child, but enough to be polite)...we had to eat together as a family, sit up properly at the table, use "please" and "thank you," learn to chew with our mouth closed, etc.

    But, I think what motai was getting at is that the types of parents who will let their kid run amok in a cafe or fine restaurant are the same type who will overindulge them on fast food, so telling them to go to McDonald's isn't going to suddenly make them better parents.
     
  21. Nov 22, 2005 #20
    This is probably true.
     
  22. Nov 23, 2005 #21

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    I'm sure Zz's been to this place (A Taste of Heaven). It's just a couple minutes from his home !
     
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  23. Nov 23, 2005 #22

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    Don't forget to respond to the poll.

    Do you think it's OK for restaurants to set and enforce rules for misbehaving kids?

    As of this morning -
    Yes 93.22%
    No 6.78%

    It is inconsiderate to let one's child or children loose in someone's business establishment and discourteous to the other guests. Either the children behave, or they should be left at home. Rather than McDonalds, the parents could take their children to a park as Moonbear suggested and do a picnic.

    The loud cell phone converations are sometimes just as irritating.
     
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  24. Nov 23, 2005 #23

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    Oh yeah. That's an entirely other end of the public annoyance spectrum.

    There was a deli right down the street from our house on Long Island. They were the only ones that had a sign up behind the counter that said if you were on the phone when it was your turn to order, you weren't going to be helped. I loved it. People still talked on their phones in line though :mad:

    I keep thinking about the quotes that Evo posted from the article. I am really trying to understand where these people are coming from. Are their attitudes that they have had to deal with screaming kids so the general public has to as well or are they really that self centered that they want what they want no matter the annoyances to other people?
     
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  25. Nov 23, 2005 #24
    I always manage to get a seat in the "Screaming baby section." I don't mind if I choose the seat, the parents at least try and make the child behave, and/or the place is child appropriate.

    I think the rule should be that the parents at least attempt to control their brats. My wife has a saying that "You can't teach them in a day." And she is right, but if a child is running amuck and the parent does nothing, assuming the child won't mind them anyway, then kick them out. Maybe then they will start disciplining their future deliquent. I think if the parent sets the child down and tells them to behave at least an effort is being made, even if the child doesn't obey.

    I can tolerate naughty children, but bad parenting pisses me off.

    And I love it when some idiot psychologist says that people without children have no idea how to be a good parent. Giving in to the whims of a spoiled child is not good parenting. Children do not know how to behave, they have to be taught how. Children know what they want to do or have, not what they should do or should have. That job should fall to the parent.
     
  26. Nov 23, 2005 #25
    ...LMFAO. People are giving up on Discipline due to some people having abusive parents. SOME. Over-sensitivizing of America is causing this. Discipline and incentive-based-systems would work just fine to control voices. Then again, if your child makes ANY noise, you could get him declared ADHD and stuff him full of Riddelin(sp x.x).
     
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