The Wonderful World of Anti-Communism

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from Bill Blum's latest Anti-Empire Report:
The Wonderful World of Anti-Communism
Anti-communism is alive and well in the Washington, DC area. There's going to be a new statue, very near the Capitol: The Victims of Communism Memorial, which will honor an estimated 100 million people killed or tortured under communist rule, a monument established by an Act of Congress.

Also coming soon: A Cold War Museum in nearby Virginia, to be located on a former Nike Missile Base and affiliated with the Smithsonian Institution. The state of Virginia has allocated a $125,000 matching grant for the museum. Francis Gary Powers, Jr., son of the man whose U-2 spy plane was forced to crash land in the Soviet Union in 1960, is the motivating force behind the museum and the associated online magazine Cold War Times. The journal is hardly a corrective to the many anti-communist myths Americans were spoon fed, from their church sermons to their comic books, which have hardened into historical concrete.

It may be difficult for young people today to believe, but the lies fed to the American people and the world about the Cold War, the Soviet Union, and communism (or "communism") were much more routine and flagrant than the lies of the past few years concerning Iraq and terrorism, the most flagrant and basic lie being the existence of something called the International Communist Conspiracy, seeking to take over the world and subvert everything decent and holy. (In actuality, what there was was people all over the Third World fighting for economic and political changes that didn't coincide with the needs of the American power elite, and so the US moved to crush those governments and those movements, even though the Soviet Union or China was playing hardly any role at all in the great majority of those scenarios.)

I don't know how those behind the memorial arrived at their figure of 100 million victims. I would guess that they'd be hard pressed to explain it themselves. On their own website one finds this: "In less than 100 years, Communism has claimed more than 100 million lives." So here they're saying it's more than 100 million even without including those tortured.

We've all heard the figures many times ... 10 million ... 20 million ... 40 million ... 60 million ... died under Stalin. But what does the number mean, whichever number you choose? Of course many people died under Stalin, many people died under Roosevelt, and many people are still dying under Bush. Dying appears to be a natural phenomenon in every country. The question is how did those people die under Stalin? Did they die from the famines that plagued the USSR in the 1920s and 30s? Did the Bolsheviks deliberately create those famines? How? Why? More people certainly died in India in the 20th century from famines than in the Soviet Union, but no one accuses India of the mass murder of its own citizens. Were millions actually murdered in cold blood in the Soviet Union? If so, how? The logistics of murdering tens of millions of people is daunting.

The ideological hijacking of history is never a pretty sight. Who, it must be asked, will build the Victims of Anti-Communism Memorial and Museum? To document and remember the abominable death, destruction, torture, and violation of human rights under the banner of fighting "communism", that we know under various names: Vietnam, Laos, Chile, Korea, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, Indonesia, Iran, Brazil, Greece, Argentina, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, and others.
ahhh the perfect antidote to the NYT, CNN, FOX, etc etc :approve: some "liberal media" they are....
 

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Vietnam, Laos, Chile, Korea, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, Indonesia, Iran, Brazil, Greece, Argentina, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq,
Don't you just love that about politicians? No more need for us 'evil communists' to point out all of the violence the US has supported, we can just use their own lists. :rofl:
 
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This all does make perfect sense. Terrorism doesn't exist.

So smurf, lets play some basketball, meet me infront of the Twin Towers.

Oh wait...
 
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oh yeah here's the website mentioned
http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/history_communism.php [Broken]
-- When the Bolsheviks murdered their way into power...
-- When Lenin destroyed hundreds of thousands of Cossacks...
-- When the Kremlin starved more than six million in Ukraine...
-- When Mao murdered tens of millions of Chinese peasants during his "land reforms"...
-- When Ho Chi Minh sent 850,000 Vietnamese to their graves in "education camps"...
-- When Castro buried dissenters in the infamous Isle of Pines...
-- When the student voices of freedom were silenced at Tiananmen Square...
yeah i don't know if "the kremlin starved >6000000 in ukraine"; maybe there was a famine? i don't know.... & i don't know that mao "murdered" tens of millions of chinese peasants. maybe they happened to die while he was in office but i don't know that there was a systematic 'peasant-killing' industry, like the holocaust was with the nazis.
 
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Does North Korea even claim to be communist? Did it ever?
 
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Soon they'll probably have similar monuments erected denouncing democracy now that the US has become a Kleptocracy under the Bush regime.
 
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Vietnam, Laos, Chile, Korea, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, Indonesia, Iran, Brazil, Greece, Argentina, Nicaragua, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq,
Don't you just love that about politicians? No more need for us 'evil communists' to point out all of the violence the US has supported, we can just use their own lists.

Greece???? There was a civil war there after ww2, with the Greek communists fighting against the Greek goverment in exile, where the goverment in exile won in the end..

Anyway the Americans were supporting the Goverment in exile, being part of the Alied forces... It was a war of two ideoligical differences, which could have happened anywhere..
Anyway the history is known, so no party politcal spin please
 
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Another interesting thing to note about Greece, is there Laws on History. Due to the above mentioned "ideological hijacking of history" For something to be written as History As far as I rememeber, it has to have happened over 50 Years ago.. So there is NO spin put on what happened. Something I wish you Americans would embrace.
 
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This all does make perfect sense. Terrorism doesn't exist.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread, or are you suggesting the Communist ideal embraces terrorism?
 
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Basically its called ignorance, but its done intelligently. Most people dont know what they are doing when they denounce "communism" however those in power wish to define it. But some people do know what they are doing, they are more dangerous.

Alright, now Oldunion is going to lose most of you. Its all about free masonry, and who is the real enemy. The only truth is communism, EVERYTHING else is oppressive and ultimately leads to a singularity, an undesirable autocracy, which you may or may not have control over changing.

Lenin and Trotsky were free masons...:frown: But i think we can agree that bolshevism is not communism, nor leninism, trotskyism, stalinism, etc.

the thing is, no one will listen to you if you say communism has never been used in a country, thats ok though because they can be morons for and by themselves, and i can be a communist.

Basically what im saying, is that the soviet union, korea, cuba, etc. they were/are not communist.

furthermore, i believe communism is flawed in that it admits its own supremacy and does not allow for provision. like if something worked and was uncommunistic, you wouldnt use it because of this fact. thats regressive.

but this is bad news, i may go to school in dc and well....ill have to convert them
 
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I wouldn't get bent out of shape over this. If the Nazi's had one the war, they'd be putting up memorials of their own.

Victors always write the history books, but various trends and ideas return from time to time. You get neo-this and neo-that. An old idea with new paint.

In the last 3,000 years there have been over 5,000 wars. The biggest mistake you can make in your short life span is believing that the wars that you live through are important or change any single thing about human nature in the long term.

Ride out the neo-conservative, and there'll be another neo- on its way. Neo-nazi, neo-commie, neo-theo (hey that rhymes!), neo-feudal, neo-monarch, neo-cheese+bickies.

Sorry for being so matter-of-fact, but it is, well: matter-of-fact.
 
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Art said:
Soon they'll probably have similar monuments erected denouncing democracy now that the US has become a Kleptocracy under the Bush regime.
We will need to invent a word—perhaps Kleptotheocracy? In his fight against godless communists in China--who are currently kicking our butts--Bush was busy promoting Christianity to the Chinese (concluding with “God bless you” to the Christians there). And I thought religious freedom meant freedom for all religions or no religion.
 
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Okay seriously... Has North Korean ever claimed to be communist?
 
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Smurf said:
Okay seriously... Has North Korean ever claimed to be communist?


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are you kidding?
 
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Okay, so they did untill 1977...
 

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