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Theocratic Iraq

  1. Aug 16, 2005 #1
    I previously have supported Bush on the Iraq War.

    But if this happens
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007112

    and Iraq becomes a theocracy as it seems likely, I think I will have to join the anti-war camp. This would mean that we didn't fight for principles of any kind in Iraq but for a theocracy which is nearly as bad as Saddam's Iraq.

    Your thoughts?
     
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  3. Aug 16, 2005 #2

    BobG

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    Whether right-wing or left-wing, neocon or socialist, the worst politics you can engage in is doing something very badly. At least until very recently.

    Somehow, Americans either came to the conclusion that it was impossible to do anything badly or that performance just didn't matter. The only thing that seems to matter is whether it's a Republican or a Democrat that's doing it.
     
  4. Aug 16, 2005 #3

    arildno

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    Actually, I will start supporting the US involvement, if the US government has the balls to stamp out this troubling development.
    What will Iraq else be in 5 years, if theocracy is introduced? A new Taliban state, like Afghanistan??
    We know what sort of fellows that state used to shelter.
     
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  5. Aug 16, 2005 #4
    I think it's painfully obvious that we never fought for principles in Iraq from the beginning.
     
  6. Aug 16, 2005 #5

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    So very true!
     
  7. Aug 16, 2005 #6
    o:) saddam's iraq was cool. :devil:
    gurkha-war-horse
     
  8. Aug 16, 2005 #7
    I trust that was some sort of sarcasm
     
  9. Aug 16, 2005 #8
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    linlin park
    now wat u call this...?

    gurkha-war-horse
     
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  10. Aug 16, 2005 #9
    My thoughts? :surprised I never saw it coming! :rolleyes:
     
  11. Aug 16, 2005 #10
    Who would've guessed!? :rofl:
     
  12. Aug 16, 2005 #11

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    Speaking of which the U.S. hasn't had much success in Afghanistan either. However, I wouldn't quite jump to the same conclusion about theocracy. In that there have been other countries where religion plays a large role in government, but I don't necessarily conclude it will result in terrorism. Personally I prefer the two to be very separate, more because of women's rights etc. In the end, a countries sovereignty is it's own, and if this is what they choose with their new freedom, is it not their choice?
     
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  13. Aug 16, 2005 #12

    arildno

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    They?
    Who they?
     
  14. Aug 16, 2005 #13

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    Iraq as a country. How do you think things would evolve in Iraq if they had overthrown Saddam on their own? The U.S. went it's course, and we still have problems with unity, the rights of minorities, and so forth. So they will join the ranks of the many other countries who struggle to remain united, peaceful, economically viable, etc. Now the U.S. should work toward an international peace keeping effort (assuming other countries are willing to help now).
     
  15. Aug 16, 2005 #14
    I always find it strange when Americans are reluctant to support a 'theocracy' when they took such a big role in the creation of Israel.

    It seems such a 180 on their part.

    Are they saying that Israel was a wrong idea too or just Moslem Theocracies?
     
  16. Aug 16, 2005 #15
    I also think that it's strange that America wants to spread a democracy by force until it becomes clear that the people in said democracy don't want what the Americans want.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2005 #16

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    Or more to the point, the support of a theocracy here in the good old United States? A legitimate question to ask is will they be anti-American?
     
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  18. Aug 16, 2005 #17
    Thats good! I'm writing it down. :biggrin:
     
  19. Aug 16, 2005 #18
    One thing you should take into account sid, which you may or may not have, is that just because it's constitution involves a lot about Islam does not mean it will be undemocratic. You saw the number of people who showed up to the polls, they've got more support for democracy than the US does. The only thing that would be seriously changed is the lack of separation of church and state which is very much a western value from the renaissance period which we don't have the right to force onto iraq if they don't want that.

    Besides, Saddam was secular. Obviously secularism isn't the most important part so at least they're democratic - and that's something.
     
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  20. Aug 16, 2005 #19
    I agree. If it's what they want then let them have it. I'm still concerned though over the possible loss of womens rights. As far as I have read though there is still quite a bit of opposition to the constitutional model that would take them away.
     
  21. Aug 17, 2005 #20
    Democracy is not an ivory tower ideal. Pure democracy is nothing but tyranny of the majority. That is why Constitutions are written. To put prevent violation of rights of the individual by the government whether the majority or a group of elites want to violate the rights of the minority.
     
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