1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Thermal Physics

  1. Jun 14, 2014 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    0.02 kg of ice and 0.10 kg of water at 0 degrees Celsius are in a container. steam at 100 degrees Celsius is passed in until all the ice is just melted. How much water is now in the container?

    Specific latent heat of steam = 2.3 * 10^6 J/kg
    Specific latent heat of ice = 3.4 * 10^5 J/kg
    Specific heat capacity of water = 4.2 * 10^3 J/kg/K

    2. Relevant equations

    latent heat Q = mL
    Specific Heat Capacity Q = mCT

    Where Q = Heat required
    m = mass of substance
    C = Specific heat Capacity
    T = change in Temperature

    3. The attempt at a solution

    Using latent heat equation, the heat required for a phase change from ice to water

    Q = 0.02 (3.4 x 10^5)
    = 6800 J

    Using Specific heat capacity equation, the heat require for water

    Q = 0.10(4.2 x 10^3)100
    = 42,000 J

    Total heat required

    6800 + 42000 = 48,800 J

    plugging in 48,800 into latent heat equation for steam

    48,800 = m (2.3 x 10^6)
    m = 0.0212 kg

    will this answer be the mass of the water in the container?
    or am i missing steps or is completely wrong with my workings???
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2014
  2. jcsd
  3. Jun 14, 2014 #2


    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Units, units, units! Always includes units for all the given quantities!
  4. Jun 14, 2014 #3


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    I understand you want to use some heat to melt the ice. But what is it you want to do with the water ?
  5. Jun 14, 2014 #4
    I am trying to find out how much water now in the container after the steam as passed in...the answer suppose to be 0.1225 kg , im not understanding where i must have gone wrong... or if i missed out a step.
  6. Jun 14, 2014 #5


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    Repeat: it looks as if you want to heat the water to 100 degrees. Why ?
  7. Jun 14, 2014 #6
    Well i was thinking in lines of finding out the heat required to raise the temperature of water in the container to 100 degrees celsius. since that will be the new temperature in the container when steam passes through ... finding that heat required for the change of water temperature, i added it to the heat required for the phase change from ice to water to give me total amount of heat in the system...which i then used in the equation for latent heat of steam....
  8. Jun 14, 2014 #7


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    The exercise asks for the amount of heat to just melt the ice (6800 J as you calculated). Water and ice are at equilibrium at 0 C, so if the last bit of ice melts, the temperature is still 0 C ! In other words: the whole thing is played out at 0 C. Steam condenses at 100 C, so it sure condenses at 0 C. Heat given off is latent heat plus ... ?

    Pity you already know the answer; something of a spoiler.

    It is remarkable how much bigger the latent heat at phase change liq -> vapour is than at solid -> liquid ! A factor of 7. So even if you miss the plus ... you expect not to need more than 3 grams of steam to melt 20 grams of ice. 100 + 20 + 3 = 123 grams, quite close to the right answer of 122.5 grams....
  9. Jun 14, 2014 #8
    OMGGGGGG.... i cant believe i missed something soo simple.....arggggghhh ...thanks tho...
  10. Jun 15, 2014 #9


    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member

    Sometimes lines of thought are so powerful they become blocking. If you can learn to challenge your own ideas equally well as you are able to challenge those of others, you gain something very precious. Lateral thinking is too modest a term for it. Wisdom comes with age, but the earlier you start the better :smile: .
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted

Similar Discussions: Thermal Physics
  1. Thermal Force Physics (Replies: 5)

  2. Thermal Copper Physics (Replies: 1)

  3. Thermal Physics (Replies: 1)

  4. Thermal Physics (Replies: 1)