What is an Irreversible Adiabatic Process?

In summary: If we want to consider work done, we would have to take into account the power output. If we want to consider power output, then we would have to take into account the pressure exerted on the system.
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Just realized that's not what i wanted to ask, sorry.

New Question: What is an irreversible adiabatic process? is it when the net q(sys) remains the same but there is heat transferred within the system?
 
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iScience said:
*edited*

Just realized that's not what i wanted to ask, sorry.

New Question: What is an irreversible adiabatic process? is it when the net q(sys) remains the same but there is heat transferred within the system?
No heat enters or leaves he system at any time during the process, and the deformation is rapid enough that the process cannot be considered quasi-static. Once the final state is attained, there is no way of getting the system back to the initial state without also causing a change in the surroundings.

Chet
 
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iScience said:
*edited*

Just realized that's not what i wanted to ask, sorry.

New Question: What is an irreversible adiabatic process? is it when the net q(sys) remains the same but there is heat transferred within the system?
Just to add to what Chet has said, you could think of an irreversible adiabatic expansion as a dynamic process in which one part of the system does work on another part, which takes the system out of equilibrium. Since it is adiabatic, the work done has to be at the expense of the system's internal energy. When the system returns to equilibrium the energy gained by the part on which work was done is distributed back to the system as a whole. This could be viewed heat transfer within the system.

A free adiabatic expansion of a gas into an empty chamber is an example of such a process. When the throttle valve to the empty chamber is opened, the gas expands rapidly. Gas molecules escaping through the throttle valve experience an increase in kinetic and, possibly, potential energy (where there are intermolecular forces). The gas, effectively, does work on itself. It occupies more volume but has not had to push anything out of the way to make room. So it does no work on its surroundings. When everything reaches equilibrium, the gas must have the same internal energy as it had before expansion (first law).

AM
 
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What is differece between free expansion and ordinary expansion ??
 
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Sanky123 said:
What is differece between free expansion and ordinary expansion ??

Free expansion means there's no external pressure or membrane inhibiting the expansion. In other words, a free expansion would be an expansion into a vacuum.
 
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Matterwave said:
Free expansion means there's no external pressure or membrane inhibiting the expansion. In other words, a free expansion would be an expansion into a vacuum.
But how is this possible?

expansion in vaccume?
 
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Sanky123 said:
But how is this possible?

expansion in vaccume?

For example, if you have a container which is at first separated. One side of the container has a gas, and the other side is a vacuum. When you remove the separating membrane, you have "free expansion".
 
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Ok..,
if we have to take into consideration power output,

then which will be effective one?
 
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Or if we have to consider work-done?
 

What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is the branch of physics that deals with the relationships between heat, energy, and work. It studies how energy is transferred between different systems and how it affects the properties and behavior of matter.

What are the three laws of thermodynamics?

The first law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another. The second law states that the total entropy of a closed system will always increase over time. The third law states that as temperature approaches absolute zero, the entropy of a pure, perfect crystal becomes zero.

What is the difference between heat and temperature?

Heat refers to the transfer of thermal energy from one system to another, while temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles in a system. In other words, heat is a form of energy, while temperature is a measure of how hot or cold something is.

What are the different types of thermodynamic processes?

There are four types of thermodynamic processes: isobaric (constant pressure), isochoric (constant volume), isothermal (constant temperature), and adiabatic (no heat transfer). These processes describe how a system changes as it exchanges heat and/or work with its surroundings.

What is the role of entropy in thermodynamics?

Entropy is a measure of the randomness or disorder in a system. The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of a closed system will always increase over time. Entropy plays a crucial role in determining the direction and efficiency of energy transfers and transformations in physical and chemical processes.

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