Calculating Thevenin Equivalent Voltage for a Complex Network

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of finding the Thevenin equivalent voltage for a given network using source transformations and the node voltage method. However, there seems to be a discrepancy between the expected answer and the one obtained through the equations. The issue is resolved by redrawing the circuit and applying two KVL equations to solve for the Thevenin voltage.
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magnifik
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I need help finding the thevenin equivalent voltage for the following network:
2lxyyh5.jpg


i did source transformations so that i could analyze it using the node voltage method.
72c84j.png

my equations are:
I1 = v1
(a) vx + vx - vT = v1 + av1 - bv1
2vx - vT = v1 + av1 - bv1
(b) vT - vx + vT = bv1
2vT - vx = bv1

when i simplify (by substituting vx), i get
vT = v1/3(a + b + 1)

however, the answer should be
vT = v1/2(a + b + 1 - ab)

help please! thanks.
 
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magnifik said:
I need help finding the thevenin equivalent voltage for the following network:
2lxyyh5.jpg


i did source transformations so that i could analyze it using the node voltage method.
72c84j.png

my equations are:
I1 = v1
(a) vx + vx - vT = v1 + av1 - bv1
2vx - vT = v1 + av1 - bv1
(b) vT - vx + vT = bv1
2vT - vx = bv1

when i simplify (by substituting vx), i get
vT = v1/3(a + b + 1)

however, the answer should be
vT = v1/2(a + b + 1 - ab)

help please! thanks.

I think I've spotted a problem with how you've redrawn your circuit.

I think it be should more like this,

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EDIT: There's really no reason to apply source transformations to the circuit at all, the original circuit can be solve by writing two KVL equations.

[tex]\text{Equation 1:}[/tex]

[tex]Voc = I_{1} + aV_{1} + bI_{1}[/tex]

[tex]\text{Equation 2:}[/tex]

[tex]-V_{1} + 2I_{1} + aV_{1} = 0[/tex]

[tex]\text{Equation 2} \Rightarrow \text{Equation 1} [/tex]

This gives the expected result.

The Latex doesn't seem to be working, but hopefully you can follow through my work.
 

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thank you for your help!
 
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can you explain for first KVL equation? I'm not sure where the I1 comes from
 
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magnifik said:
can you explain for first KVL equation? I'm not sure where the I1 comes from

Here we are writing a KVL in the righthand loop.

Notice that the loop is open thus there is no current flowing in this loop except for the current in the vertical, leftmost branch.

This current is clearly I1 by writing a KCL at the top node.

Clear?
 
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jegues said:
Here we are writing a KVL in the righthand loop.

Notice that the loop is open thus there is no current flowing in this loop except for the current in the vertical, leftmost branch.

This current is clearly I1 by writing a KCL at the top node.

Clear?

yup. thanks.
 

What is a Thevenin equivalent circuit?

A Thevenin equivalent circuit is a simplified representation of a complex circuit that contains a voltage source and a single resistor. It is used to replace a portion of a circuit with a simpler equivalent circuit, making it easier to analyze and understand.

How is a Thevenin equivalent circuit calculated?

To calculate a Thevenin equivalent circuit, the voltage across the open terminals of the circuit is measured and recorded as the Thevenin voltage. Next, the circuit is simplified by removing all sources of resistance and the resulting resistance between the open terminals is measured and recorded as the Thevenin resistance. The Thevenin equivalent circuit is then constructed using the Thevenin voltage and resistance values.

Why is a Thevenin equivalent circuit useful?

A Thevenin equivalent circuit is useful because it simplifies complex circuits, making them easier to analyze and understand. It also allows engineers to quickly determine the maximum power that can be delivered to a load and the load resistance that will result in maximum power transfer.

What are the limitations of a Thevenin equivalent circuit?

A Thevenin equivalent circuit is only valid for linear circuits, meaning that it cannot accurately represent circuits with non-linear elements such as diodes or transistors. It also assumes that the circuit is in a steady state, meaning that the circuit has been operating for a long time and all transients have died out.

Can a Thevenin equivalent circuit be used for AC circuits?

Yes, a Thevenin equivalent circuit can be used for AC circuits. The Thevenin voltage and resistance are calculated using AC equivalents of the components, such as the impedance for resistors and reactance for capacitors and inductors. The resulting Thevenin equivalent circuit can then be used for AC analysis.

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