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This is a link to 'The Fatal Flaw in the 9/11 cover-up.'

  1. Apr 29, 2004 #1

    amp

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    ....We have the so-called 20th hijacker and assorted other preposterous character actors languishing in jails on trumped up charges. We have security camera film at the Pentagon, which surely reveal that no jetliner hit that building, locked away in Ashcroft's vault under the phony aegis of national security. We have all the rubble of the World Trade Center, which surely would have revealed the use of nuclear explosives creating shattered beams in odd places, instantly carted away with no forensic investigation. We have transcripts - but no recordings - of these phony cellphone calls, some from people who may not have even existed.

    And we have the famous standdown, in which America's air defenses suddenly evaporated - the only time in our history this has happened.

    We have Marvin Bush sitting suspiciously on the board of directors of the security company that had the contract for the Twin Towers.

    We have Larry Silverstein, who conveniently leased and insured the towers shortly before the big hits, telling officials to "pull" a relatively intact tower, which then fell identically to the two structures that were struck by airplanes, creating the impression that that's the way all three came down.

    We have billions of dollars of windfall profits made by savvy investors in the days before 9/11, and an FBI investigation that insists nothing was amiss with these spectacular deals. Of course, we don't get the details. Only "assurances" that the trades were not suspicious, despite patterns and results that were unprecedented in the entire history of financial trading.

    We have reports from firemen of explosions at the base of the Twin Towers BEFORE they fell, and the seismographic evidence to back up these assertions.

    We have leader after leader saying they didn't know such a thing could happen when the government had been studying the problem for ten years. It had held at least two major drills simulating such a possibility.

    And we have a president sitting in a ghetto classroom in Florida, at possibily the most pivotal moment in American history, pretending to read a book that he was holding upside down.

    Perhaps most tellingly of all, we have the tragic tale of John O'Neill, rabidly honest FBI investigator, prevented from following his leads about Osama bin Laden because of the danger he would have discovered the links from Afghanistan back to CIA headquarters. Just review the way he was prevented from conducting his probe of the Cole bombing, and prevented by digging into other leads by the same guys - namely insiders Louis Freeh and Thomas Picard - who prevented significant reports from other FBI agents from seeing the light of day. ...

    For complete article look here: http://www.rense.com/general51/fatal.htm
     
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  3. Apr 29, 2004 #2

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    This does not belong on this forum. It should be moved to skepticism and debunking with the rest of the baseless "If it's wrong, prove it!" ideas.

    Njorl
     
  4. Apr 29, 2004 #3

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    Ok, Zero if you agree will you move this thread. Njorl, some of the assertions I think are reported in the media (not US). And the standdown order is known to be true.
     
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  5. Apr 29, 2004 #4

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    C'mon, amp. That's really, really bad stuff. Rense is famous for it. You're better than that.
     
  6. Apr 29, 2004 #5
    Another logical fallacy. "Rense is a bad source, so we can ignore this text."

    What Rense is actually famous for is publishing things the mainstream news services won't carry.
     
  7. Apr 29, 2004 #6
    I won't spend the time showing why so many things in this thread are garbage, you and your crew would simply yell about how I was making some 'logical fallacy'.

    So here goes the easiest to link to .....

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/bushbook.asp

    Send Rense over to Snopes when he's done with his spreading of lies.
     
  8. Apr 30, 2004 #7
    Amp,
    I pray for your speedy recovery. So sorry...
     
  9. Apr 30, 2004 #8

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    Rense is not the only one who is concerned enough to state his observations. IMHO.
     
  10. Apr 30, 2004 #9

    Well, considering that much of what has been said is EASILY discredited, his concerns are over observations that have no real merit. Having many people concerned over something doesn't mean that it holds anymore truth.
     
  11. Apr 30, 2004 #10

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    The problem amp, is that those "observations" go round and round and round on the conspiracy theory sites. It doesn't take long before no one knows where they really came from. And one of the things that separates a news outlet (even alternative media) from a conspiracy theory site is they understand that they have a duty to back up everything they say. Conspiracy theory sites are completely unconcerned with the concept of "credibility." Its simply not something they care about.

    Amp, if you really don't see this, you really need to take a step back and think about it. And analyze what that link actually says that has any meaning. Ask yourself: 'do they substantiate that claim?' Its an important question that you have been ignoring. What you'll find is that most of what they claim simply didn't happen.
     
  12. Apr 30, 2004 #11

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    Can you discredit and explain? Please do.

    1. Was there a stand down order.
    2. Has seven of the 19 named hijackers been found living?
    3.Did firemen report hearing explosions prior to the collaspe?
    4.Is there Seismic evidence for the above?
    5.Why was John O'neal prevented from following leads?
     
  13. Apr 30, 2004 #12

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    Ralph Nader was behind it all as a means to discredit both major political parties. He has sufficient funds and fanatical followers to do this. He had exhausted all other means of promoting his agenda. His followers could take flying lessons without raising any red flags. A completely supressed FBI report describes Nader operatives monitoring flights, looking for ones with Arabs on them to use as scapegoats. And now, surprise surprise, he's running for president.

    PROVE ME WRONG! :rolleyes:

    Njorl
     
  14. Apr 30, 2004 #13

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    [columbo]...........Just one more thing; amp where were you on the night of 9/11?[/columbo]
     
  15. Apr 30, 2004 #14

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    No, you're wrong! It was AMP!!

    Prove ME wrong! :biggrin:
     
  16. Apr 30, 2004 #15

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    LOL, JCSD I was shaken not stired that night when I finnally got home after seeing the second plane hit.
     
  17. Apr 30, 2004 #16

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    We have no proof that amp is not Ralph Nader.

    Njorl
     
  18. Apr 30, 2004 #17
    who's ralph nader?
     
  19. Apr 30, 2004 #18

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    An alias used by amp.
     
  20. Apr 30, 2004 #19

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    Maybe you do, Is Ralph younger than 50? No, then maybe hes Phat... or Russ Watters
     
  21. Apr 30, 2004 #20

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    Since we're having fun here: In a stunning coup, the Daily Reality Check has obtained an historic exclusive: an unofficial (and completely fake) transcript from yesterday's 9/11 commission interview with Cheney and Bush. There was no formal recording of the meeting, so the following text has been loosely pieced
    together from the notes of a 9/11 commission staffer.

    CHAIRMAN THOMAS KEAN (R): Mr. President, Mr. Vice President, on behalf of
    the commission, I'd like to thank you for taking time to meet with us in
    the Oval Office this morning. I think we can all agree that this is of the
    utmost importance, even if these are unusual circumstances.

    PRES. BUSH: Sure thing. The American people need to learn about these thugs
    and assassins, these enemies of freedom, these evildoing evildoersŠ

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: [aside to Bush] Save some for later, George.

    KEAN: Right, well, that being said, before we get started, I think I speak
    for all the commissioners here today when I say that, Mr. President, I
    think we'd all feel a little more comfortable if you weren't sitting on the
    vice president's lap.

    [Cheney nods and Bush moves.]

    COMMISSIONER SLADE GORTON (R): Gentlemen, what we're discussing today is a
    very serious issue. We're looking for difficult answers about our nation's
    greatest tragedy, and so my first question is this: Remember that time
    after 9/11 in New York when you grabbed that bullhorn and spoke to the
    people? Was that the greatest show of leadership ever, or what?

    BUSH: Thanks Slady, that was good, wasn't it. I wanted to be sure to send a
    message to all those enemies of freedom, so I grabbed that bullhorn. At the
    time, it seemed the best thing to do. Later we figured the best way to send
    a message would be to attack a completely different country: Iraq.

    CHENEY: [clears his throat, then shoots a disgusted look over at Bush] I
    think what the president meant to say was that there are many terrorists
    out there, in all shapes and sizes: al Qaeda members, Hussein loyalists,
    pro-choice demonstrators.

    COMMISSIONER JAMIE GORELICK (D): President Bush, you have often
    saidŠ[realizes the president has become preoccupied with a bug on the
    window]Šum, Vice President Cheney then, people in this administration have
    repeatedly said that terrorism was your highest priority upon assuming
    office. Yet Attorney General John Ashcroft didn't include terrorism on his
    list of priorities, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice appears to
    have done little to nothing to alert the president on the issue, and CIA
    Director George Tenet -whose hair was supposedly on fire - barely met with
    the president in the month before September 11. How can this be considered
    your highest priority?

    CHENEY: Commissioner Gorelick, again, you must remember that terrorism
    takes many, many forms. Were we completely focused on al Qaeda? No. Did
    everyone in the administration [subtly gestures over to the president] even
    know who al Qaeda was? No. But that's not to say we weren't fighting
    terrorism. What about the terror inflicted on this great nation by the
    estate tax? Or astronomical taxes on special interests? Why is that never
    mentioned? We moved swiftly to eliminate these forms of evil terrorism, and
    everyone in the administration is proud of our record.

    Or what about the terror inflicted by international abortion education
    programs? Talk about your global terror networks! That's why, within the
    first weeks of the Cheney/Bush administration, we moved to sign the Global
    Gag Rule, preventing any US funds from reaching any of these health
    clinics. Again, we are quite proud of these efforts.

    [President Bush leaps off the couch to smack the bug on the windowsill. He
    misses badly, then slinks back to his seat next to Cheney.]

    BUSH: Goshdarned flies. Tired of swatting.

    COMMISSIONER JOHN LEHMAN (R): President Bush, what was your reaction when
    you saw the August 6, 2001 PDB entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In
    US"?

    BUSH: I skimmed it - actually didn't read it all. Stuck a copy of
    "Bassmaster" magazine inside of it and pretended to read it. Old high
    school trick. "Bassmaster" is a good magazine, written by good wholesome
    American people. Al Qaeda members don't fish.

    [Bush's voice changes audibly to a familiar low grumble.] As Condoleezza
    Rice told you earlier, I requested that PDB because I was concerned about
    al Qaeda's efforts, but it did not contain any new threat information. It
    was based on historical evidence. The fact that I requested such a document
    is evidence of our commitment to fighting terror before 9/11.

    [Commissioners sit in stunned silence. Finally Bob Kerrey speaks.]

    KERREY: Mr. President, are you ok?

    CHENEY: I'mŠuh, he's fine.

    [The fly has returned to the windowsill. President Bush is once again
    transfixed.]

    KERREY: Nice trick, Mr. Vice President. From now on, we'll just ask you the
    questions directly and spare everyone some embarrassment. If
    counterterrorism was of such high importance to this administration, why
    did no one respond to Dick Clarke's reports? Why did your counterterrorism
    task force not meet even once before 9/11? Couldn't this be read as a sign
    of neglect?

    CHENEY: We did everything we could, short of actually getting together and
    meeting face to face. It took awhile to decide on a task force logo, and
    creating a new letterhead and business cards is quite a time-consuming
    process with all that bureaucratic red tape that tree-hugging liberals love
    to put in place. My first antiterror business card read, "Vice President
    Cheny." Now what terrorist is going to respect that?

    [Bush has resumed his war against the fly. He pulls a cigarette lighter in
    the shape of Texas out of his pocket and creeps toward the window.]

    COMMISSIONER RICHARD BEN-VENISTE (D): What about the August 2001 CIA
    briefing paper entitled, "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly"? Did that
    provide any clues?

    BUSH: I can answer that -

    CHENEY: Shhh! Sorry. What the president was going to say is that he was
    completely focused on fighting the terror war from his ranch in Crawford,
    Texas at that time. The president finds that he does some of his best
    thinking about how best to fight terrorism while clearing brush from his
    ranch, fishing, and eating Texas BBQ. As for myself, at that point, my
    counterterrorism task force was still deadlocked over the important issue
    of where we should hold our first lunch meeting.

    [Bush leaps off the couch and closes the window drapes, trapping the fly.
    The commissioners and Vice President Cheney watch in horror as Bush holds
    the drapes shut and lights them on fire to kill the bug. The room is
    quickly engulfed in smoke, and everyone is forced to evacuate the disaster
    area.]

    KEAN: I guess that will be all for today. Gentlemen, thank you, I guessŠ

    BUSH: Mission accomplished!

    [end transcript]
     
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