Thomson Scattering Hot Ionised Hydrogen Region

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Thomson scattering in a hot ionized hydrogen region, specifically focusing on determining the thickness required for the region to be considered 'optically thick'. The original poster presents parameters such as electron density and the Thomson scattering cross section, while seeking clarification on the definition of 'optically thick' and its implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster explores the definition of 'optically thick' and questions whether it relates to the mean free path. They also express uncertainty about the relevance of self-absorption processes in this context. Another participant suggests a possible connection to the extinction coefficient. The original poster later confirms their lecturer's definition linking optical thickness to the mean free path and raises a question about the significance of considering protons over electrons due to mass differences.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the term 'optically thick' and exploring related concepts. The original poster has found a definition from their lecturer, which has guided their understanding, but further inquiries about the role of protons versus electrons remain open for exploration.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the definition of 'optically thick' was not readily available in their notes, indicating a potential gap in the provided materials. There is also mention of the need to consider the mass of protons in relation to the scattering processes, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Consider photons crossing a large hot ionised hydrogen region with constant electron density ne = 5*105 m-3. Assuming that the photons and the electrons interact via Thomson scattering (with Thomson scattering cross section, σT = 6.65*10-29 m2, what is the thickness Δx that this region should have in order to be 'optically thick'?

Homework Equations



Sifting through my textbooks I've found a few useful equations:

Optical depth for the medium for Thomson scattering:
τ = ∫ σT * ne dx

Mean free path:

l = (σT * ne)-1

The Attempt at a Solution



So, I've thought about this problem a couple of ways. The main issue is I can't find a definition for 'optically thick'. At what point does the gas region become optically thick. Is it when it is larger than the mean free path? I've also got a few notes about self-absorption processes in optically thick mediums, I don't know how to make that relevant either.

Another note, I've also read:

'For a completely ionized hydrogen gas, ne is equal to the number density of protons that carry most of the mass'
from my textbook: The Physics of Astrophysical Processes, Bradt.

So, if this is the case then I need to swap out my Thomson cross section as this is related to the mass of the particles and it would now be ~10-35 m2.

This increases the mean free path significantly also, from 3*1022 up by a factor of 106

Any hints would be greatly appreciated!
 
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leonmate said:
'optically thick'?
An unusual term. Could it be in reference to "extinction coefficient?" Not a hint --- more a wild guess at the meaning of "optically thick."
 
Thanks for the reply, I've found what my lecturer was after.

He's defined optically thick as the gas thickness being greater than the mean free length path. It was hidden away in some exercises and solutions, not in the notes for some reason though.

Also, any thoughts on the fact I should be considering the protons over electrons because of their much larger mass? I don't think it's what he's looking for in the question but I'm curious if it's a valid point.
 
leonmate said:
thoughts on ... protons over electrons
The "stellar" gang should be in fairly frequently since it's Sunday --- better source than I --- stick around and they'll get to you.

Edit: @mfb
 
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