Understanding B and H Fields: A Thought Experiment on Magnetic Field Propagation

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of B and H fields in electromagnetic waves and the movement of magnetic fields around current carrying wires. The participants consider the idea of using a clear cylinder filled with baby oil and iron filings to visualize the movement of the magnetic fields. It is determined that the filings will arrange themselves in a circular pattern but will not actually move around the wire. The concept is further explained with the use of the "right hand thumb rule."
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Hey everyone,

I'm learning about B and H fields in electromagnetic waves and propagation class. Trying to wrap my head around the idea that magnetic fields wrap around current carrying wires.

Consider this:

If you were to take a clear, hollow cylinder, drill a hole at both ends, run a copper wire concentrically down the middle, fill it with baby oil and iron filings and seal both ends.

Then energize the wire with a voltage so that constant current flows...

Describe the movement of the iron filings.

I'm curious - will they actually start moving in circles around the wire?

Cheers and Thanks!

JoAr
 
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I know this.
That doesn't answer my question.

To say that B will circle the wire - does it imply that the iron filings will actually start moving in circles around the wire? Aka will they actually receive a constant angular force? Or will they simple orient themselves in a circular fashion and sit there?

Thanks,

JoAr
 
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They will line up in a circular pattern as represented by the blue arrows. With a constant current in the conductor, the fillings will just arrange in that pattern and set there. Notice that each filling will actually be magnetize with it polarization (north/south) determined by use the "right hand thumb rule" as illustrated.
 

1. What is a thought experiment?

A thought experiment is a mental exercise in which a hypothetical situation or scenario is created in order to explore and evaluate a scientific or philosophical concept or theory.

2. How is a thought experiment different from a real experiment?

A thought experiment does not involve any physical materials or equipment and is purely theoretical. It is used to test ideas and theories that cannot be tested in a traditional laboratory setting.

3. Who first introduced the concept of thought experiments?

The concept of thought experiments can be traced back to ancient philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle. However, it was the physicist and philosopher Galileo Galilei who popularized the use of thought experiments in the scientific community.

4. What is the purpose of conducting a thought experiment?

The purpose of a thought experiment is to explore and challenge existing theories and concepts, as well as to generate new ideas and hypotheses. It also allows scientists to test the limits of their understanding and think outside the bounds of traditional experimentation.

5. Can thought experiments provide valuable insights into the real world?

Yes, thought experiments can provide valuable insights into the real world by helping scientists develop and refine their theories, as well as by inspiring new research and discoveries. However, they should always be followed up with real experiments to confirm the validity of the ideas generated.

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