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Time of Free Fall

  1. Oct 14, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    If a car rolls gently (v0 = 0) off a vertical cliff, how long does it take it to reach 73 km/h?

    A helicopter is ascending vertically with a speed of 7.50 m/s. At a height of 110 m above the Earth, a package is dropped from a window. How much time does it take for the package to reach the ground? [Hint: The package's initial speed equals the helicopter's.]



    2. Relevant equations
    Vf = Vi + at
    Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2ad
    d = Vi(t) + (.5)(a)(t)^2
    t= Vf/a or Vf-Vi/a



    3. The attempt at a solution

    For the first one : I set Vi at 0, Vf at 73, and a(acceleration) at 9.8. From there i did 73/9.8 to find the time when it is traveling 73 km/h, and got 7.44, which is obviously wrong. I'm guessing I have to find distance, but I'm not sure how.

    For the second one: I set Vi at 7.5, d (distance) at 110, and a at 9.8. Then I used the Vf^2 formula to find Vf, which was 47. Then i did (47-7.5)/9.8 to get about 4 seconds, which was wrong.
     
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  3. Oct 14, 2009 #2

    ideasrule

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    Check your units.

    Why 47 minus 7.5? In which direction was the package's initial speed (7.5 m/s)? In which direction was its final speed (47 m/s)?
     
  4. Oct 14, 2009 #3
    Thanks a lot for the reply ideasrule.

    So for the first one, I'm not really aware of what Vo = 0 means. I took it as initial velocity, but I may be wrong. And should Vf not be 73? I thought it should because that's the speed it will be traveling when the time is discovered.


    For the second one, I can now see that the velocities should be added together, as they are traveling in the same direction. But the answer I get is higher, (54/9 compared to 39.5/9) when shouldn't it be getting smaller, since the speed is increasing? Any more hints would be greatly appreciated
     
  5. Oct 14, 2009 #4
    For the first part, you have to keep in mind what units your using. If you do have Vo (where yes, the o typically stands for the conditions of that variable in it's initial state) in km/hr, then you would have to make sure that a and Vf are both in km/hr. It's clear that it's much simpler to just convert Vo to m/s. For b), you have to keep in mind the direction of the vectors. best way is to say up is "+" and down is "-". When using the equations you used, think about whether a value is - or +. For example, for d, if you say the initial point is 0, then the point at which it hits the ground is -110m, and therefore vf would be a negative value, and vi would be a positive value. So you are correct, just a little fuzzy in your vector notation. And yes, the time should increase. Look at the equation for t=(Vf-Vi)/a. if there is great difference between the final and initial velocities, the numerator gets bigger as this difference gets bigger, and t increases. Or you can just think: the acceleration changes the velocity over time, so the more the velocity is changed, the more time it takes.
     
  6. Oct 14, 2009 #5
    Thanks so much guys I got the first one. But now I am sooo confused on the second one. I dont understand which numbers should be positive or negative, and im still not sure how to go about solving this. Any help?
     
  7. Oct 14, 2009 #6
    Never mind i got it guys. Thanks so much!
     
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