To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for ang

1. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

I'm trying to solve a "riddle" which is a bout shooting a cannonball above a hedge with a heigth of 30 meters. My goal is to hit a target on the other side of the hedge, at least 600 meters from the point where the cannon is located. The speed of the cannonball is approximately 100meters/second. The weight of the cannonball is irrelevant.

I'm looking the optimal angle and distance. Can't move closer than 600.

So I have length = 600m or further
Speed leaving cannon = 100m/s
Cannonball has to gove above the heigth 30m.

And I´m looking for the best angle. Or just an angle that will do the job..

It's been a long time since I read about physics, so I'd be very thankful if someone could freshen my memory a bit. I don't remember the formula for these type of calculations.

2. Feb 5, 2012

nure

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

What is the distance from the canon to the hedge?

3. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Sorry I missed that part, the distance from cannon to the hedge is 500 m. So the target behind on the other side of the hedge is 100 m behind the hedge.

4. Feb 5, 2012

nure

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

If the initial speed makes an angle with the horizontal larger than 39.4 degrees, the cannonball will go over the hedge 500 meters away. And as we know the ball will have the maximum reach when the angle is 45.

But then the cannonball will not hit the target 100 meters behind the hedge, it will go further.

5. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Could you please explain how you acquired that result?
Thanks a lot.

6. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Hints:

1. Determine the angle for the shot to go 600 m.
2. Based on this angle, determine the height above ground when the ball reaches the hedge. If it is less than 30 m, you do not have the correct solution.
3. Look for another angle where the trigonometry function has the same value. Think mortar shot rather than a cannon shot if the ball won't clear the hedge.

7. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Still don't get it right :/

8. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

The angle for the shot to go 600 m is not 39.4 degrees.

9. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

I'd be thankful if you'd show me the correct solution.

10. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

I cannot do it for you but I'll be glad to help. First thing to do is to determine the angle that will allow a 100 m/sec shot to travel 600 m. Let's forget about the hedge for the moment.

To do this you assume that the horizontal velocity is constant. This is true if drag is neglected which is our case here. Determine an expression for the range by finding the horizontal component of velocity and multiplying it by the time of flight. It'll be a function of angle and time of flight. You do not know either.

Next thing to do is determine the time of flight as a function of the vertical component of initial velocity. It will be a function of the unknown angle also. Get the expression for time and eliminate the unknown time from the range equation. Don't forget to double it. That leaves one unknown, namely theta.

Set the range equation equal to 600 m and solve for the angle.

Then test to see if ball clears the hedge. Get back to me when you have done this.

11. Feb 5, 2012

nure

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

The angle of 39.4 degreed will though be the smallest angle the initial speed can make with the horizontal to get the cannonball not to collide with the hedge.

12. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

You don't want it to hit the hedge. You want it to clear the hedge and impact the target that is 600 m from where it was shot.

13. Feb 5, 2012

nure

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Well, you wont hit the hedge if the angle is greater than 39.4? And the main question is asking for an angle that will get the cannonball AT LEAST 600 meters away from the initial position. If he actually want to hit the ground 600 meters ayaw, surely the angle will be different.

14. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

Here is the problem statement: "I'm trying to solve a "riddle" which is a bout shooting a cannonball above a hedge with a heigth of 30 meters. My goal is to hit a target on the other side of the hedge, at least 600 meters from the point where the cannon is located."

Problem says hit the target. You can clear the hedge as well as hit the target.

15. Feb 5, 2012

Panthenole

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

I've solved the problem using a 45 degree angle. Simple but sufficient for me. Thank you for the hints!

16. Feb 5, 2012

LawrenceC

Re: To calculate the shooting of a cannon above a wall with given heigth (looking for

If you shoot it at 45 degrees, the ball lands about 1019 meters from where it was shot. You've missed the target by over 400 meters.

The correct answer is 71.97 degrees.