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To Gripe or not to Gripe?

  1. Oct 23, 2006 #1
    Eh, something really annoyed me in the ME forum and I dont know if I should gripe about it or not because its going to make alot of people mad and say "if you dont like PF you can leave!"

    Do you think I should keep my mouth shut? I think it is a fair gripe though. :grumpy:

    Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut and bite my tongue.....
     
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  3. Oct 23, 2006 #2

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    Maybe a PM to the individual involved, if it's a personal thing, or a mention in Feedback.
     
  4. Oct 23, 2006 #3
    I think you should tell people how you feel. There are probably people who are thinking the same thing as you and feel like they shouldn't say anything. If you don't like something you should say it otherwise no one will ever know
     
  5. Oct 23, 2006 #4
    It's not against anyone in general. Its just a trend I noticed that makes me dissapointed sometimes, but its understandable at the same time. And to be fair, I do it myself sometimes too.

    But when you say things, people tend to take it the wrong way and make it personal, and I dont want to offend anyone here. And im not trying to point anyone out in particular becuase its not an individual problem.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2006 #5
    Why don't you say something like that before you tell the people and then hopefully they will understand
     
  7. Oct 23, 2006 #6
    Because people still take it the wrong way.
     
  8. Oct 23, 2006 #7
    I am sure they won't take it that bad surely?! It is just a forum
     
  9. Oct 23, 2006 #8
    Well silence is golden, so..... :wink:
     
  10. Oct 23, 2006 #9

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    By now some folks are no doubt imagining worse things than you want to complain about anyway. Since you've already brought it up though, I'd say go ahead. :wink:

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  11. Oct 23, 2006 #10

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    Don't be that sure that they wouldnt take it wrong way! But anyway if it was me, I would have said it anyway...o:)
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    Not to mention that I would have killed myself 1st if I was you!
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  12. Oct 23, 2006 #11

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    If you're afraid it will offend others if you comment on it openly here, but it's something that bothers you enough that you'd like to see it brought to the attention of the mentors to help address, you can always use that post report button for a post that is an example of the problem and explain it that way...only the mentors and admins see those reports, and we have pretty thick skin.

    It's also worth noting that we've been down to only one mentor for all of engineering for a while with enigma's absence, so more things may have been slipping by the wayside there. Hopefully with berkeman and jtbell on staff, we'll have a few more eyes out on those forums now to help address any problems (though give them a little time to get broken in first...they're still occassionally crashing into telephone polls on their flying lessons with the new capes :biggrin:).
     
  13. Oct 23, 2006 #12

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    I know that telephone polls are a major nuissance, but I've never heard of anybody crashing into one. :uhh:
    Or did you mean poles?
     
  14. Oct 23, 2006 #13
    I cant report an entire subsection! :tongue2:


    Well, I am going to bring it to peoples attention. Don't take it personal anyone. Like I said, it is not any particular individual that's the problem.

    Bingo, this is an understatement, and it has been getting progressively worse and worse. To the point where it comes off looking like a joke sometimes. :uhh:

    Anyways, I have had no sleep and I need to get some rest. I will post a bit later and nicely as I can.
     
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  15. Oct 23, 2006 #14

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    I try to look at everything, but certainly I've missed some posts that require action. I encourage you to use the "report bad post" button if you see something that requries action.
     
  16. Oct 23, 2006 #15

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    :rofl: :redface: Oops. I shouldn't post before I've finished my morning coffee.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2006 #16
    Well, the first thing I have taken notice (for too long now) is that people use the ME/AE forum as a homework help section; yet at the same time, I hardly see people using the Engineering section of homework help.

    It seems a bit redunant to have two sections doing the same purpose. Every time I see a HW question being posted in the physics section, it gets moved to homework help usually within the hour.


    Just on the first page alone of the ME/AE forum here are all the HW questions that I have found:

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=139329

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=139124

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=138571

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=138832

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=138327

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=135576
     
  18. Oct 23, 2006 #17

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    It's a "judgment call" by the mods whether stuff that belongs in HW, or S&D, or GD, or P&WA gets moved. Goes on in Chem, Earth, Astro, and elsewhere all the time. Hit the "bad post" button, state your view(s), and "move on."
     
  19. Oct 23, 2006 #18

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    The report post button is the way to go. If a post gets reported, any of the mentors can and will act on it. I do not typically browse the engineering forums. If I see an interesting topic I can contribute to I will post. Other wise I stick to Physics and Homework help.
     
  20. Oct 24, 2006 #19
    And I dont blame you, compared to the Math and Physics Sections, the standards just seem so low in the Engineering Forums these days :frown:

    I try to stay away from them for that reason. From the ME/AE forum, you would think being an ME is about fixing your car's engine....:grumpy:

    It seems like it's a pop-science forum and not a science forum. Sorta like a really bad Tech magazine thats full of fluff...:uhh:

    Sorry guys, no offense, but its been bugging me for months now.
     
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  21. Oct 24, 2006 #20

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    Standards regarding what? Questions? Answers? Discussions?

    Interesting. There are threads about car engines, but the ones I have seen were regarding specifications and/or design, not repairs.

    Are you suggesting that no automotive topics should be allowed?

    Sorry for the quiz, but I'm new here and am just trying to find out what's expected.

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  22. Oct 24, 2006 #21

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    I couldn't help noticing that you proclaimed that none of us were qualified to contribute to Rainmanaero's question about initial pitch control reversal in a delta-wing aircraft. I can assure you that you were speaking for yourself only. Comments like that shouldn't be made unless you know who it is that you're commenting about.
     
  23. Oct 24, 2006 #22

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    Plenty of "pop-sci" quality stuff in the physics areas --- threads that belong in philosophy or GD. It's more a matter of being sensitive about the world's view of areas you hold "near and dear." Yeah, it's a bummer when you see how many people there are in the world who think your chosen field deals with things you've come to regard as trivial, but that's life on planet earth. SAE has done a lot for Mech. E. --- they're also guilty of some of the lousiest engineering the world has ever seen (see if you can find bearing specs for pinion shafts in mid-50s vintage Fords sometime). Automotive topics are useful for "teaching," or discussing engineering principles and practices. Grit your teeth and try to make the best of it. Browse Chem, Earth, and Bio --- or hit the "3Ms" in Physics.
     
  24. Oct 24, 2006 #23
    Well, after reading his post the answers in that thread looked to me to be more akin to a RC model airplane forum that I visit sometimes where I see people give answers that show they don't really know what they are talking about.

    I'm sorry, but that thread made me almost fall out of my chair.

    I mean no offense, no offense, I love you guys...but some of these things said w/o naming names:

    Really, are you current on controls literature?

    I too have heard of this, two I have seen at work are a Sparkjet or a Pulse Plasma Thruster. But, I have NOT heard/seen/read any papers on this issue in terms of controls for delta wings to solve that specific problem asked. So it does not answer the question at hand.

    This does not even address the question properly....:bugeye: The x-1 is not a delta wing, and its flying much faster.

    Ahhh, what? :eek:


    I mean, not to bust peoples asses or anything, but I would have love to have seen a response like, "hey, we had something like this at work, here is a paper we wrote, or here are some papers that address this problem we looked into and what the results were."

    I mean, alot of people gave answers, and there not wrong, but when I read them it makes me say, "ok, so what, how does that answer his question? What conclusions are you basing these answers on, what literature are you refrencing your answers to?"

    If you can't give me an answer to these questions, you don't know what your talking about, I'm sorry. This is what I mean when I say it seems like a 'pop science' forums at times, and not a 'science forum.' This is alot of stuff that sounds right out of a magazine, with little to no substance\research\maths behind it.

    Sorry guys, you all are alot smarter than me. I am not going to pretend otherwise. I just wanted to bring this to light because when I see things like this sometimes, it makes me sad. I don't want the engineering forums turning into a model-airplane forum (where I have seen all sorts of off the wall answers given).

    Granted, his question was very specific, but it felt like he was asking a question if anyone had done/knows about research in this area. The guy is really smart, so telling him thrust vectoring is a waste of his time, unless you can show how thrust vectoring solved that problem.

    ***I post this with much hesistation, but I feel like I had to say it.

    Again, no offense, I love you guys, thanks for your help in the past and future. :redface:
     
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  25. Oct 24, 2006 #24
    Arg, here is another one that gets at me.

    Is this a serious thread? You want to build a 12 foot rocket with 2000lbs of thrust.

    Well, do you have any permits? Have you ever built a rocket? Are you a member of a model rocket association and have insurance?

    If you do, why are you asking us and not someone qualified with experience who has built a similar model rocket? If you're building a rocket that big with that much thrust, you should have built a rocket before in your lifetime and know people who do rockets or find people to talk to that do large scale rockets. This kind of post shows me you really dont know what your doing, or dont care.

    When I see this, I honestly dont know how to take it as a serious thread. :confused:

    Please, someone tell me I am not alone in thinking this?
     
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