No I don't reject SR just because it defies common sense, even though it surely does that, at least you do see that. If you have been following my threads on the subject I use a hell of a lot more than "violations of common sense" if you are paying attention like you claim you are. You might not agree with me and my techniqoues and you might be frustrated, so what? Do you see that ram1024, myself, grounded and eyesaw, to name a few, even yourself once, remember wespe, are all approaching from a different point of view, but guess what there is a focus and we aren't as far apart as we were last month last week or yesterday, right? I suspect each has a secet desire fror recognition at the very least. There is a purpose, personal I mean, in ewhat anybody does, right? And for physics forums, theory development it sure isn't the money, is it? Are you getting paid? I wopuld be soely poissed if Wspe was getting some quid pro quo and I was only getting my regular monthly DSL bills. :surprise: I can assure you that my pockets are as bare as they were when I started this.wespe said:I'd say more like frustrating. At some point you will wear everyone out. What you guys are doing isn't anything like physics. You are just rejecting SR because it seems to defy common sense, which we all understand (no we aren't crazy). But you can't ignore experiment results which are in accordance with SR, not the intuitive Gallilean relativity (I'm not sure Geistkiesel understands even that). Other people aren't stupid, not to mention 100 years of brain power combined. You can see I'm frustrated with you Ram and Geistkiesel too.
You were a lot more interesting and energetic, to yourself as I observed, even when you realized how far off the nornmal path you actually were. But wasn't it energetic, stimulating, got the old gray cells moving in ways you didn't know they could move?
Wespe no one is saying experimental results aren't what they are.
A stupid trout example. Let us say you have a watch that runs fast. The watch is expensive, the best in town. The only thing you use the watch for is its designed purpose: measuring the speed that trout swim in cold water. Let us say the watch has trout moving 1.2 times what was measured using ordinary watches. Since your watch was so expensive and calibrated, wrongly it seems, it was hard to reject such expensive technology. Trout around the world are now believed to swim in cold water 1.2 faster than heretofore thought since All trout swimmer measurers got a wespe watch that has the same built in error. So when a trout is found not to swim 1.2 faster than wespe's watch expects, it is probably due to using a watch other than wespe's so someone comes up with the excuse that wespe's watch which is used under water etc. is the only accurate measure, therefore the trout found out of sink, (pun intended) get explained away by some inane and inexplicable nonsnese, like dark matter, or ptolemy's circles within circles, restricted fin action, you know hre drill. But every time wespe's watch is used the trout swim at 1.2v as expected. Therefore, only use wespe's watch and all the associated techniques of using the watch will get ya back on the proper physical tack if ya wanna measure trout swimming speed according to physical law: go wespe's watch!!. After a while truth takes on a different turn that is coaxed along with each finding of a conflict. Dissidents are exiled to Theory Development forums, oh the horror, the horror..... :yuck:
I said the example was stupid, but the metaphorcal inanity is in synch with built in "always observed in experiental results" rhetoric.
One thing you have never done is publically or privately, made a decent and honest effort, your own standards, in taking soemone's appraoch and see if there is anything reasonable or appropriate. Check out some of Doc Al responses to my posts. Sometimes he is on, other times he is just screaming in my face and he claims it is physics I am getting. You know all about that don't ya?
I consider tom_mattson a very bright guy, but he doesn't always approach physics as I feel he should, he would agree at least partially on this (not openly, after all he is a mentor and like America's greatest thepian of all times, yes I speak of John Wayne, was fond of saying, "Don't apologize it is a sign of weakness." He might have used the word "pilgrim' in this context here I am not sure.) sometimes just like a normal person he goes screaming at someone repeating SR mantras, do ya dig it? If it weren't for dissidents of fundamental concepts of science and our beloved physics all worhtwhile activity of human kind would stagnate, wouldn't it, hasn't it?
I can tell from this post it is way past my bedtime.