Are TOEs Ignoring the Complexity of Animate Matter?

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In summary, the conversation revolves around the concept of a Theory of Everything and its relationship to the fate of matter and the universe. It is noted that such theories often overlook the complexity of animate matter and instead attribute its emergence to chemistry and chance. However, the laws of chemistry can be derived from known laws of physics, and therefore biology can also be derived from chemistry. However, this is a challenging task due to the complexity of biological material. It is also mentioned that TOE extensions to the current standard model of particle physics are unlikely to greatly impact chemistry or biology. The conversation ends with the reminder that while Physics is a fundamental science, it may not provide all the answers to our problems.
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Theories of Anything appear to be concerned with the fate of matter and the universe. No consideration is given to the unbelievable complexity of animate matter. Presumbely the laws that allow this complexity to emerge are attributed to chemistry and the laws of chance alone and they are in no way connected to the TOEs.
 
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The laws of chemistry, even at present, can be derived from the known laws of physics. In turn biology should presumably be derivable from chemistry, though this is a very hard problem given the complexity of biological material and hence biology is a long way from being able to do this (not to critisize biologists!).

The main point though is that TOE extensions to the current standard model of particle physics are unlikely to impact greatly, if at all, on chemistry or biology.
 
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When people hear "Theory of Everything" they automatically think "Oh! All our problems are solved!" Not so. While Physics is the most fundamental science, like Wallace said, even though everything should follow from it, that's a big leap there.
 

1. What is a TOE?

A TOE, or Theory of Everything, is a hypothetical framework that aims to explain all physical phenomena in the universe using a single set of fundamental principles. It is often referred to as the "Holy Grail" of physics.

2. How are TOEs related to animate matter?

TOEs are relevant to animate matter because they seek to unify the four fundamental forces of nature (gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear forces) and explain how matter and energy interact on both the macroscopic and microscopic scales. This includes understanding the complex systems that make up living organisms.

3. Why is finding a TOE important?

Finding a TOE would not only provide a deeper understanding of the universe, but it could also have practical applications such as informing technology advancements and potentially leading to new discoveries and breakthroughs in various fields.

4. Has a TOE been discovered yet?

No, a TOE has not yet been discovered. Many scientists and physicists have proposed different theories and models, but so far none have been universally accepted as the ultimate explanation for all physical phenomena.

5. What are some challenges in developing a TOE?

Some challenges in developing a TOE include the complexity of the universe, the limitations of current scientific knowledge and technology, and the fact that different theories and models may be incompatible with one another. Additionally, testing and verifying a TOE is difficult due to the scale and scope of the theories involved.

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