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Torque help, please!

  1. Jan 22, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Flywheels are large, massive wheels used to store energy. They can be spun up slowly, then the wheel's energy can be released quickly to accomplish a task that demands high power. An industrial flywheel has a 1.5 diameter and a mass of 250kg. it's max angular velocity is 1200 rpm. a)a motor spins up the flywheel with a constant torque of 50Nm. How long does it take the flywheel to reach top speed? B) how much energy is stored in the flywheel? C) the flywheel is disconnected from the motor and connected to a machine to which it will deliver energy. half the energy stored in the flywheel is delivered in 2.0s. What is the average power delivered to the machine? D) How much torque does the flywheel exert on the machine?


    3. The attempt at a solution
    I've figured out the answers to A, B, and C. A) t=176.763 seconds. B) KE(r)=555168 J. C) Power= 138792 W. D) I read that P=torque*angular velocity; however, the answer in the book says 1.30 kNM and I continue to get 1104.47. Can calculator error really explain the difference or am I going wrong somewhere?
     
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  3. Jan 22, 2011 #2

    tiny-tim

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    hi tydychic! :smile:

    if you want us to check your work, you need to show us your calculations :wink:
     
  4. Jan 22, 2011 #3
    Calculations as requested:
    A) T(motor)=I*alpha. I-Beta*Mass*Radius squared, Beta =1/2. Alpha=2* Torque(motor)/Mass*radius squared= .711 rad/seconds squared.

    Omega final = alpha *time. omega final = 1200rpm * 1min/60sec * 2pi rad/1 rev=125.664 rad/s.
    t = omega/alpha= 176.743

    B) KE(r)= .5I* omega squared - (1/2)I* omega initial squared (which equals zero, so tossing that). KE(r)=(1/4)(250kg)(.75m)^2*(125.664rad/sec) = 555168 J

    C) Half the power....555168/2= 277584J over two seconds...277584 J/2sec= 138792 Watts

    D) 'if the equation I read is correct...138792 W/ (125.664 rad/sec) = 1104NM, but this isn't the correct answer, so I must be doing something wrong...any clues?
     
  5. Jan 22, 2011 #4

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    hi tydychic! :smile:

    (have an alpha: α and a beta: β and a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
    ah, i think you're using the wrong β …

    (btw, i've never seen it called β before … is that normal?)

    a flywheel is essentially a wheel :biggrin:

    (btw, can you see why they build them that way?)

    see some pictures at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel" [Broken] :wink:
     
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  6. Jan 22, 2011 #5
    If I was using the wrong Beta, then my answers for A, B, and C would be incorrect. However, they aren't, so I'm assuming Beta = 1/2 is correct....? Where does that leave D?
     
  7. Jan 23, 2011 #6

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    hmm … strange flywheel! :rolleyes:

    ok , let's check …
    i'm not getting that answer …

    can you please show your calculations?
     
  8. Jan 23, 2011 #7
    [tex]\alpha[/tex]=2(50Nm)/(250kg*.75m[tex]^{2}[/tex])=.711rad/s[tex]^{2}[/tex]...I guess parentheses might help. I'm sorry. Does this help?
     
  9. Jan 23, 2011 #8
    Hi all, I am having the same exact problem... As a matter of fact, I think that we may be in the same physics class. Hehe.

    Parts A,B, and C agree with OP and the back of the textbook. However, I cannot get part D to match. According to the book, the answer is 1.5kNm yet mine continues to come out as "1104.79 kw/rad(IIRC)". Is this some sort of rounding error?
     
  10. Jan 23, 2011 #9
    You wouldn't happen to know a dude with a yo-yo, would you? Because if you did, then yes, same class. Definitely the same book.

    That, I chalked up to book-error. I couldn't get any other answer and the book is known to be wrong occasionally.
     
  11. Jan 23, 2011 #10
    HAHA yes. I've checked my answer to the point of insanity and I am willing to bet that the book once again had a typo. Anyways, good luck with the last two. See you in class on Monday.

    -Oscar
     
  12. Jan 23, 2011 #11

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    It would appear that in this case, for part D), the book is correct with its 1.30 kNm.
     
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