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Transmitted Intensity

  1. May 8, 2008 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Show that for normally incident light, the intensity transmmitted through a glass slab with an index of refraction of n is approximately given by:

    [tex] I_T = I_0 \cdot [\frac{4 \cdot n}{(n + 1) ^ 2}]^ 2 [/tex]


    2. Relevant equations
    Reflected intensity is given by:

    [tex] I_R = I_0 \cdot [\frac{n_2 - n_1}{n_2 + n_1}] ^ 2 [/tex]


    3. The attempt at a solution
    I've attempted to solve this numerous times, however, the equation that I always end up with is different than the one shown.

    [tex] I_T = I_0 \cdot [\frac{4 \cdot n}{(n + 1) ^ 2}] [/tex]
     
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  3. May 8, 2008 #2

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    Hi Math Jeans,

    What approach did you use? What is the relationship of [itex]I_R[/itex] and [itex]I_T[/itex]? It seemed to give the right answer (once the identification of [itex]n_2 \to n[/itex] and [itex]n_1 \to 1[/itex] is made, of course).
     
  4. May 13, 2008 #3
    Well. My approach was to use I_T=I_0-I_R, and simply use the formulas from that point. But like I said, I don't know how to turn that into an approximation.
     
  5. May 13, 2008 #4

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    I believe the approximation they refer to is the approximation they make in deriving your expression for [itex]I_R[/itex] in the first place (they assume that [itex]\mu\approx\mu_0[/itex] to derive it).

    However, what I think you are not taking into account is that the light that is transmitted through the glass slab has to be transmitted through two surfaces; each surface transmits the quantity you found:

    [tex]
    I_T = I_0 \frac{4 n}{(n+1)^2}
    [/itex]

    if an intensity of [itex]I_0[/itex] hits it. (Assuming the glass is in air, of course.) The total fraction of transmitted light passing through both surfaces is the expression they give. Do you get that result?
     
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  6. May 13, 2008 #5

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    Another approximation is that air's refractive index is close to 1.
     
  7. May 13, 2008 #6

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    After I posted I realized that yet another approximation is the assumption that all of the light that passes through the first surface makes it to the other surface; depending on the glass and the light frequency this could be a very bad assumption.
     
  8. May 13, 2008 #7

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    I think it's a reasonable assumption, or at least what is required to get the answer given in post #1.

    Absorption or scattering losses in a good quality optical glass would indeed be negligible.
     
  9. May 13, 2008 #8

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    Well, all of the assumptions/approximations are required to get the given answer.

    If you don't mind exploring this a bit further--I think your statement here is a bit circular in its logic. Absorption or scattering losses being negligible is what we mean by high quality glass. When we say "good quality optical glass" that means two things: the glass has a very low extinction coefficient for a range of frequencies due to its makeup/manufacturing; and also that we are using frequencies of light for which it is very transparent (in that range for which the coefficients are low).


    (Of course I am considering UV light as "light", which is a matter of definition of which an infinite amount of argument could be had!)

    My point is that setting [itex]n_{\rm air}\approx 1[/itex] is almost "universally" good in the sense that I believe it would be very unusual to have a case in which the error in making this approximation would be large.

    However, I think it would be easy to find types of glass and/or frequencies of light that would give a huge error in the given formula. We have to specify the glass and specify the light frequency--namely, the high quality optical glass you mention in your post and probably visible light (to cover the majority of glasses).

    (I'm also not sure about setting [itex]\mu_{\rm glass}\approx\mu_0[/itex]; I don't know if there are common types of glass for which this is a bad approximation. I don't think there would be.)



    But I have to say I am definitely no expert in the properties of glass! If you think what I have written is wrong I'd appreciate you letting me know.
     
  10. May 13, 2008 #9

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    No, what you are saying is quite reasonable. Having spent many years working in optics labs, I am used to thinking of quality optical glass as commonplace and so I just sort of take it for granted.
     
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