Hi, everyone: A couple of points, please: 1) I am reviewing last semester's Simplicial Homology. I was able to do a triangulation of the torus T2=S1xS1 , and I was able to do a triangulation of T2 , although the best I could do was use 18 triangles. (the triangulation checked out: 18 triangles/faces, 8 vertices, 10 edges) I tried to do a triangulation with 12 triangles/faces , 6 vertices, but the edges did not add up ; I need 18, but could only come up with 15. Anyone know of a smaller triangulation of the Torus (i.e., with fewer than 18 triangles).?. Anyone know how to find the Euler number of general surfaces (like the Mobius band) , without using Homology (e.g., Betti numbers.).? . I am trapped in the catch-22 : to find the (simplicial )Homology, I need to find a triangulation. But to check if the triangulation is a valid one, I need t find the Euler number, which I only know how to find using the homology group. 2) Is there an algorithm to find the Simplicial Homology of a space X , once X has been triangulated, and we know the chain groups of X.?. It seems to come down to some basic calculations, and some basic linear algebra (row-reduction). Thanks For any Suggestions/Ideas.