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Triple integral region.

  1. Nov 28, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    evaluate the integral:

    int B of z DV where B is the region between the planes: z = x+y, z = 3x+5y and lies over the triangle with vertices (0,0), (0,1), (1,0)

    2. Relevant equations



    3. The attempt at a solution

    I'm having some trouble trying to figure out the bounds of the 3d region. I can visualize what it looks like and draw it out by plugging in the points of the triangle into each plane and just drawing the region in between the points.
     
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  3. Nov 28, 2011 #2

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    The two planes, z = x + y and z = 3x + 5y, both go through the origin, which is the only point in common between the two planes and the triangle in the xy plane.

    The only slightly complicated part that I see is coming up with a description for the triangular region.
     
  4. Nov 28, 2011 #3
    I'm new to triple integrals and figuring out the bounds for each variable is the most confusing.

    the first one, for x i said goes from 0 to the line y-1. Not sure if that's right. Would z go from 3x+5y to x+y? Since its the region between the planes. But I can't figure out a bound for y.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2011 #4

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    If you integrate across first, x ranges from x = 0 to x = 1 - y. Here you are using thin horizontal strips.

    To pick up all of the horizontal strips, the strips range from y = _ to y = _? (Fill in the blanks.)


    You need to go from the lower plane to the upper plane. The plane z = x + y is the lower one.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2011 #5
    I haven't read this in detail, but shouldn't you see what the planes look like on xy-plane combined with the triangle?
     
  7. Nov 28, 2011 #6
    Y would go from 0 to 1?
     
  8. Nov 28, 2011 #7

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    Yes.
     
  9. Nov 28, 2011 #8
    Does the order of integration matter? I'm getting an answer in terms of x and y if i do it with the order dx dy dz. Shouldn't it be a number?
     
  10. Nov 28, 2011 #9

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    Yes, of course the order matters. If you are getting something other than a number, you're doing something wrong.
     
  11. Nov 28, 2011 #10
    So how do i determine how the order should go?
     
  12. Nov 28, 2011 #11

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    I would integrate in this order: z, x, y. You could also do it in the order z, y, x, but you would have to change your integration limits slightly.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2011 #12
    Alright. But how'd you determine in which way the order should go? Is there a rule?
     
  14. Nov 28, 2011 #13
    You've got to approach this more methodical. Can you just draw the 3D coordinate axes with z going up, y going into the plane of the paper, x going across? Just that much. Ok, when you got a choice, try and integrate the most natural way:

    [tex]\iiint dzdydx[/tex]

    Now if you want, read this one:

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=554329

    Alright, if you did, then you'll know the 1-2-3 rule alright? x is the outer integral and it goes from point a to point b. y is the center integral and it goes from curve g(x) to curve h(x). The inner one then goes from surface f(x,y) to surface p(x,y) so write:

    [tex]\int_a^b \int_{g(x)}^{h(x)}\int_{f(x,y)}^{p(x,y)} dzdydx[/tex]

    Ok, now just for now scrap the inner integral and just look at the area to be integrate over:

    [tex]\int_a^b \int_{g(x)}^{h(x)}dydx[/tex]

    Draw that triangle (in the x-y plane) over that nice plot of the 3D coordinate axes you made. Look at it carefully. Now, what must a and b be for x and what are g(x) and h(x) for y? Just get that part straight now.
     
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