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Troy

  1. May 25, 2004 #1
    I just saw Troy today, what's a great movie !

    I haven't got a chance to read The Iliad yet, what happened after Troy falls, what happen to Paris, Helen and etc...
     
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  3. May 26, 2004 #2
    I just wanna see brad pit wearing a skirt and nifty sandals. Well, paris dies (his first lov, this nymph godess type chick refuses to heal him coz she is bitter about being dicthed for that helen woman ) and I forgot wot happened to helen, i think she gies back with her husband... All i know is that the love paris and helen shared kinda fizzles out and is nowhere as passionate as the movie depicts. odysseus goes on that whole journey back to ithaca, .... yeah thats about it.
     
  4. May 26, 2004 #3
    Paris dies, Helen just becomes her old husbands kinda servant so she doesnt get killed, so i have read in many places, i might be wrong though
     
  5. May 27, 2004 #4
    i_wish_i_was_smart is right, but there's some additional things I noticed that are different. They took out the supernatural element completely, other than casual mentioning of the gods. Helen was a daughter of Zeus, many men in her youth were suitors and she had her choice of husbands. In the movie, she was portrayed more as a slave or something with no choice. Another difference, some writings portray her as being a pawn of the gods and having no choice, others say she went with Paris for love, others that she went as his prisoner. What's particularly bad if she went willingly is that she had a child that she left behind.

    The war lasted 10 years, in the movie it looks as though it were only a few weeks at most. The subplot with Briseus was different. In the original, she was given to Achilles and a priestess was given to Agamemnon. After a plague struck, the Greeks returned the priestess and Agamemnon took Briseus. In the movie, the character of Briseus and the priestess were merged.

    In the traditional work, Helen's husband didn't die and he did indeed claim her and take her back at the end. Hector's wife and child did die as he told her would happen, his son was thrown from the walls and his wife Andromache was taken away to be a slave. Agamemnon returned home where he was killed by his wife and her lover.
     
  6. May 27, 2004 #5
    i read she left her old husband, and then went to Paris of Troy, her ex-husband gave her and ultimatum to come back to him, and the trojans disregarded it
     
  7. May 27, 2004 #6

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    If you read the Iliad, you might be confused. Agememnon lives to return to Greece, Menelaus lives quite a long time after the war ends. They both die in the movie. Also, they were not buffoons in the legends.

    I was surprised. I was sure the whole "Trojan Horse" thing happened in the Iliad, but my wife checked - it doesn't. It is mentioned in retrospect in the Aeniad.
     
  8. May 27, 2004 #7
    i'm not that informed on the subject, it never apealed to me, one side won, the other lost, and their was a big horse filled with people that came out and slaughtered everyone, that is me extent of my knowledge on the subject
     
  9. May 30, 2004 #8
    "The war lasted 10 years, in the movie it looks as though it were only a few weeks at most"

    Yeah, the movie is very loosely based on the Iliad.

    Wow, 10 years ! Where do the Greek get the food and weapon to last 10 years ?!

    So to sum up, correct me if I'm wrong. Achilles and Hector died, Paris died later after Troy fell, Helen got back with her husband, king of Spartan. Hector's son died and his wife was enslaved. Agamemnon returned home and got killed later, and Odysseus returned home; after Agamemnon died, odysseus should be king of kings right, because everyone else died !!!
     
  10. May 31, 2004 #9
    if you put it that way, ya
     
  11. May 31, 2004 #10
    Your wife is correct Njorl. I have the W.H.D. Rouse translation and it doesn't mention a 'Trojan Horse'.
     
  12. May 31, 2004 #11
    It would be great to see the movie, the Iliad is one of the greatest fiction books I've ever read, I would put it between the 5 best. I remember that there were doubts about if Homer was really the author of both the Iliad and the Odyssey. Somebody has cleared up this?

    BTW, the whole thing about the discovery of the ruins of Troy, with the archeologist Schliemann discovering it after reading some clues about its location in different ancient texts, is also very interesting. In fact, Schliemann also believed in the existence of Atlantis.
     
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  13. Jun 1, 2004 #12

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    I've heard some interesting theories about interpretations of the horse. I heard one explanation of the horse as a metaphor. Poseiden was the god of the sea, storms earthquakes and horses. The horse replaced the true cause of the breaching of Troy's walls, an earthquake. It sounds reasonable, but I bet it's creator has about as much proof as I have that Odysseus really did blind a Cyclops.

    Njorl
     
  14. Jun 4, 2004 #13

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    I liked the movie. I have always been interested in Ancient History but chose the wrong subjects at school. Since watching the movie, I have a strange desire to learn about this. Firstly I'll read about the first action hero... Gilgamesh.

    Anyway, did Odysseus ever make it home?
     
  15. Jun 4, 2004 #14

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    I think it took him another 10 years. Most of it was spent as the prisoner of a beautiful sea nymph who kept him as her sex-slave in eternal youth. Then, he was shipwrecked on the island of the beautiful sorcerer Circe. She turned his crew into pigs, and insisted that he bang her a few times before she'd change them back. He thought these were bad things.

    Do these kinda things happen to me? No! I get flat tires! I get drunks throwing up on my windshield. I have to work late to finish my boss's pet project. No, no sea nymphs for Njorl. :devil:

    Njorl
     
  16. Jun 4, 2004 #15

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    I saw that Simpsons episode too :wink:

    The fool. Some people just dont deserve these things to happen to them.

    It's a tough life isnt it? None of that stuff happens to me either. I wish I were an ancient Greek/believed in sea nymphs.
     
  17. Jun 6, 2004 #16
    Was Odysseus played by Sean Bean? I didnt pay much attention to the characters names.
     
  18. Jun 7, 2004 #17

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    Indeed he was. You may remember him from such films as Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. And the hit TV dramas of the Sharpe series.
     
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