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  1. Dec 12, 2003 #1

    wolram

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    your views wanted.

    about 20yrs ago i was taking my girl friend home on
    my triumph t110, it was a star less night in november
    the road was a typical english b road full of twists
    and turns, about 10 mins into the journey we both
    noticed that we had someone following us, it was
    a single light so we automaticaly assumed it was
    another biker, for about 5 mins the light seemed
    to keep a constant distance behind but quite suddenly
    it was right behind us, thinking that it might be
    a mate wanting a bit of company we started to
    speed up for a bit of fun this lasted for 2 to 3 mins
    when suddenly there was a bright flash and my bike
    cut out and the lights went out, well doing about 60
    with no lights is not fun but by pure luck we stoped
    without crashing, after a long wait we got a lift
    to my girl friends house, having left my bike in feild
    gateway, after we recovered the bike it was found
    that the battery was dead and would not take a charge
    and both spark plugs had no earth electrodes left
    and latter the ht leads were arcing and had to be
    replaced also the back of my girl friends leather
    jacket had a dull oval mark on it that never did
    polish out. i have never found an explanation for
    what happened and apart from the people dirrectly
    involved not talked about it.
     
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  3. Dec 12, 2003 #2

    Ivan Seeking

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    The flash came from behind you? What happened to the light; it was gone?
     
  4. Dec 13, 2003 #3

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    i think you can understand that we were both in shock
    i dont know how long it was between the flash and
    the bike comming to a stop, we were in total darkness
    i couldnt even see my girl freind standing next to me.
    maybe it was 10 mins after the flash that we actualy
    spoke to each other, but the light must have gone
    very soon after the flash, we kept all this quiet
    as her mom and dad were against motorbikes and an
    incident like this could have stoped me seeing my
    girl.
     
  5. Dec 13, 2003 #4
    I guess that'll teach ya.
    Anyway, I've never heard a story like this.
     
  6. Dec 13, 2003 #5

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    Do you remember the color of the flash? Was there any noise or any sense of static charge? Also, I assume that the light itself appeared to be the same brightness and color as a vehicle's headlights; this by your stated initial assumptions?

    Finally, beyond the effects on your motorcycle and your girlfriends jacket, is there anything else unusual about this event...

    EDIT: in your comment about 10 minutes of silence, did you feel stunned or otherwise affected physically or mentally?
     
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  7. Dec 13, 2003 #6

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    the ligh seemed like an ordinary head light but did not
    show a beam when going round bends, when it was close
    to us my girl freind," shouted go" i think we both got
    spooked at the same time, we did talk about it quite
    often but we could never agree on the events after she
    shouted go, its hard to put into words the sensation
    fear, loud engine noise ,light ,then total quite, dark, only
    the sense of motion, when the bike came to a standstill
    it was like total sensory deprevation, if it wasnt for
    the feel of the bike it would have been, we both felt
    total exhausted, i think it was when ann slumped
    against me that i started to think again and asked
    her if she was ok.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2003 #7

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    Do you have any idea when had you last replaced or checked the spark plugs? How old was the battery? What was the color of Ann's jacket; and what was the color of the mark on her jacket?

    Do you have any guesses at an explanation for this event?
     
  9. Dec 13, 2003 #8

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    the bike was a complete rebuild 3 month prior to the
    incident, every penny i had went into it and it was
    sweet, it always started first or second kick, the
    battery was new at the time of rebuild, i think it
    had about 1000 mls on the clock at the time of the
    incident, the engine was unmodified but put together
    with love and care, with no signs of oil leaks," an
    acheivement on a british bike of that era", i had
    a weekly service for the bike, tyres ,chain,cables,
    oil,tappets, plugs, batt level,wheel brgs,etc.
    apart from ann that bike had every spare second
    of my time, after replacing the batt, plugs, ht
    leads she ran for over 6 yrs without a hiccup, her
    end came when she went thrugh a hedge and hit a
    barn, along with my relationship with ann. but the
    incident happened we had everything to loose and
    nothing to gain.
     
  10. Dec 13, 2003 #9

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    ANNs jacket was black leather, it wasnt so much as a
    stain, it was just a dull area that would not pollish
    out.
    i have had 20yrs to think about this event and can
    think of nothing to explain it, ann and myself had
    an unbreakable bond after the event, untill we
    were forced to part.
     
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  11. Dec 13, 2003 #10

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    I'm very sorry for your loss... Each day of life is a blessing...


    This is a very interesting story; I now have a Wolram file. Not to end the thread, but thanks so much for posting!

    I assume that you are following the "Why Skeptics fear UFO's" thread?
     
  12. Dec 14, 2003 #11

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    thanks for listening IVAN,
    i look at the S and D threads to see if anything matches
    my "event", but no matches so far, i suppose that is
    to be expected as it sounds far fetched when i read
    it, but i have my memory of the event and it never
    fades.
     
  13. Dec 14, 2003 #12

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    Why don't you stay subscribed to this thread. I have read similar stories and I will post same when I spot another. I have read many, many, many stories that seem to involve incredibly energetic EM effects. Your story sounds similar to some of these.

    I don't suppose you kept the spark plugs or any other hardware related to the event?
     
  14. Dec 15, 2003 #13

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    its been a long time ivan but ,i never throw anything
    away i will search the garage as im sure the s plugs
    are still there.
     
  15. Dec 15, 2003 #14

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    Oh that would be great. Please let me know if you ever spot them or any other hardware from that night. There still might be traces of something useful; and I am sure that in addition to me, a lot of other researchers would like to see those plugs.

    BTW, as a wild guess, I think you might have run into something much like the objects described in the Iran event and at Bentwaters; as discussed in the "Why skeptics fear UFOs" thread. The implication of related effects on the motorcycle could mean that a highly energetic EM event took place. I also speculate [wildly] that if true, this EM event could relate to your sense of fatigue afterwards.

    Lastly, unless you object, I will assume that you can account for all of your time that evening...that no missing time is involved.
     
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  16. Dec 16, 2003 #15

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    Oh that would be great. Please let me know if you ever spot them or any other hardware from that night. There still might be traces of something useful; and I am sure that in addition to me, a lot of other researchers would like to see those plugs.

    BTW, as a wild guess, I think you might have run into something much like the objects described in the Iran event and at Bentwaters; as discussed in the "Why skeptics fear UFOs" thread. The implication of related effects on the motorcycle could mean that a highly energetic EM event took place. I also speculate [wildly] that if true, this EM event could relate to your sense of fatigue afterwards.

    Lastly, unless you object, I will assume that you can account for all of your time that evening...that no missing time is involved.
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    ivan i can not see a connection with the Iran event, as for
    a highly energetic EM event well yes i can see a connection
    but i would be very skeptical of a UFO involvment.
    also i dont see the connection with our fatigue.
    missing time? im not sure what you are asking.
     
  17. Dec 16, 2003 #16

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    Well, my comments are made in light of hundreds of other reports. If the light observed was somehow responsible for your ignition system's damage, then we have a very puzzling situation. There is no known natural phenomenon that could do this - unless you were hit by lightning. But this explanation does not seem to agree with the light following you first. You also specified that the light was distincly different than a headlight in that it was not focused. So, from your lead, it sounds like you have ruled out familiar explanations for the light. Next, if you were hit by lightning, you would surely have noticed greater effects. I have never heard of someone being hit by lighting and then hitching a ride home. If we assume that a link exists between the light and the motorcycle damage, then you are right into UFO territory. However, you and I may not mean the same thing when we say UFO. I mean unidentified objects in nature, probably somethink akin to lightning or ball lighting [whatever that is], but not ET.

    Fatigue is often associated with UFO encounters. Fairly often, in the most dramatic cases, witnessess will even report falling asleep or losing consciousness during the episode. If you know nothing about missing time I almost hate to even mention it. This subject goes past right UFOs and into Alice's Wonderland. In short, people who encounter UFOs sometimes cannot account for their time. There is some period, from minutes to hours, that seems to escape their memory.

    You also indicated that you felt a unique bonding between you and Ann after this. Do you have any idea why? Why do you associate this feeling with this episode?
     
  18. Dec 16, 2003 #17

    Ivan Seeking

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    Oh yes:
    Happy Birthday Wolram!
     
  19. Dec 18, 2003 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    Case 17 from the Condon Report is a little like yours

    Please see the following link:
    http://912a-87.umd.edu/condon/text/case17.htm

     
  20. Dec 18, 2003 #19

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    i dont know what to say IVAN, talking to an "outsider", after
    all this time who has knowledge of this type of event is
    un nerving, from the very start we kept it quiet for the
    reasons stated befor, and i suppose most people would think
    we were loonies, i have always thought a freak of nature
    caused the event, but reading your last post has me trying
    to remember things in more detail without embelishing it
    with half truths, i can only admit that things seemed
    different after the event but i dont know why, after the
    event my life was ann, motorbike, nothing else mattered,
    this selfish way only ended as described ealier.
    i have a mamouth task in clearing years of junk to find
    plugs but i look forward to showing them to an expert.

    you have reminded me im getting OLDER thanks IVAN:smile:
     
  21. Dec 18, 2003 #20

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    I've just been thinking over your experience Wolram, for days, and I have no answers, but I do have another annoying question. You say in your account that the night was starless. Can you remember the kind of clouds. Were they low? Flat? Were you near anything that could have excited an electromagnetic field?

    I'm just turning around in my mind that your motorcycle might have had a small spark, say from a spark plug lead, and unlike a car, it wouldn't have been surrounded by metal (faraday cage). So it could have interacted with an existing EM field in the neighborhood with, say, a strong horizontal gradient. And there I'm stuck.

    Oh, and was the route hilly or flat?
     
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