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News Turkey Shoots Down Russian Jet

  1. Nov 24, 2015 #1
    Well this really complicates matters :frown:

    Turkey Says It Shot Down Russian Warplane Near Syria Border
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...warplane-crashes-in-syria-near-turkish-border

     
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  3. Nov 24, 2015 #2

    Borg

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    I wonder how far inside Turkey the wreckage landed? Kind of hard to deny if the plane crashed 20 miles inside the border.
     
  4. Nov 24, 2015 #3

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    http://news.yahoo.com/nato-calls-extraordinary-meeting-turkey-downs-russian-jet-115205832.html

    http://news.yahoo.com/report-turkey-shoots-down-warplane-over-airspace-intrusion-081734904.html# [Broken]
     
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  5. Nov 24, 2015 #4

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    CNN is reporting that the plane crashed in Syria. This may be a complicated incident to unravel, but in general I like Turkey's cajones.

    BBC has more details:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983

    They say it was hit 1km inside Syria and crashed 4km inside Syria. It did not explode in mid air. Turkey's "radar image" shows a flight path taking a shortcut over a slim finger of Turkish land jutting into Syria.
     
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  6. Nov 24, 2015 #5

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    From the second article/link
    Hatay province has an interesting history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_Province
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antakya (Antioch)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayladağı
     
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  7. Nov 24, 2015 #6
    Of course nothing can be clear cut ?:)
     
  8. Nov 24, 2015 #7

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  9. Nov 24, 2015 #8

    mheslep

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    Yes, well, Im not liking what might well happen next, the NATO member Turkey invoking Article 5, obligating the US to come to its aid against Russia?
     
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  10. Nov 24, 2015 #9
    Shooting the pilots parachuting is technically a war crime:
     
  11. Nov 24, 2015 #10

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    Where there's no law there's no crime, there's only war and barbarism. Syrian rebels, ISIS are not parties to the Geneva Convention.
     
  12. Nov 24, 2015 #11
    Turkey is. Though there are now conflicting reports:
     
  13. Nov 24, 2015 #12

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    Yes of course, and Turks did not shoot up the pilots in parachutes. Syrians did, and may still hold one of them.
     
  14. Nov 24, 2015 #13

    Borg

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    What a mess. I wish that we could just nuke Raqqa and be done with it.
     
  15. Nov 24, 2015 #14
    Ah, I misunderstood the word 'turkmen' to mean turkish military.
     
  16. Nov 24, 2015 #15
    That wouldn't be the end of of it though, Da'esh or something similar would just reappear somewhere else, this time strengthened by thousands of new recruits.
    So then nuke the new HQ?, and then the one after that?, regardless of the indiscriminate nature of using WMD's?
     
  17. Nov 24, 2015 #16

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    I know that it wouldn't solve anything. I'm just frustrated and wish there was a quick way to reduce the mass of brainwashed followers.
     
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    Astronuc

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    Turkmen in Syria - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34910389

    So they represent an opposition to Assad, and that puts them in conflict with Russia. Apparently there is a video showing one of the crew who appears to be dead.
     
  20. Nov 25, 2015 #19
    Russia: No war with Turkey over 'planned provocation'
    Russian FM Lavrov says Moscow will reconsider ties with Ankara after the downing of its warplane along the Syria border.
     
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  22. Nov 26, 2015 #21
    You did not even bother collecting most primitive, simplest bits of information about the event before you started thinking about solution. This is *exactly* why US foreign politics fails so often.

    First, Raqqa is some 120 miles away from the location where downed jet fell.

    Second, and more importantly, *this region of Syria is not held by ISIS*! You should be wondering. Russians are claiming that they fight ISIS but their ground attack plane bombs NOT ISIS, gets shot down and angry people it was bombing kill pilot(s). I am not at all sure they were morally wrong doing that.
     
  23. Nov 26, 2015 #22

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    I am more *familar* with the situation than you know. I was simply griping and my post certainly doesn't have anything to do with foreign policy. Don't take everything so serious.
     
  24. Nov 26, 2015 #23

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  25. Nov 26, 2015 #24

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    Hypocrisy and double standard are the only correct words to describe this bloody conflict. Turkey says it fight ISIS as well :wink:. In reality though:
    1) It buys Da’esh oil through its fellow Turkmen in Syria and Iraq.
    2) It lets Da’esh receives money, weapons and medical aides from Da’esh supporters in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and even Turkey.
    The very word “moral” lost its meaning in this conflict. If you think they were not “morally wrong” killing a parachuted pilot, then you shouldn’t think that the Russians were “morally wrong” bombing them when they (the Russians) believe that these are the very same people who drive Da’esh oil tankers to Turkey.
     
  26. Nov 26, 2015 #25

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