Induction on P(x) for x = m to n

In summary, the conversation discusses different types of induction in mathematics, including finite induction, mathematical induction, and strong induction. The term "induction" has various applications, but in mathematics, it refers to a method of proof where a statement is proven true for all integers within a specific range. Regular induction and strong induction are equivalent, and there is also an extension called transfinite induction for well-ordered sets.
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e(ho0n3
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What do you call this type of induction (if it even exists):

Let P(x) be some statement concerning the integer x. If

- P(m) is true, and
- P(k) is true implies P(k + 1) is true, where m ≤ k < n,

then P(x) is true for all integers x = m, ..., n.
 
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It's just induction.
 
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I've been googling around but I haven't found a single website that mentions this sort of induction. I'll take your word for it.
 
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The only two terms for induction I've ever heard about are finite induction and mathematical induction.
 
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e(ho0n3 said:
I've been googling around but I haven't found a single website that mentions this sort of induction. I'll take your word for it.

In the context of mathematics it's just plain induction but if you're googling then obviously you'll do better to use the full name "mathematical induction" because outside of Math the term "induction" has lots of other applications.
 
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I didn't just google "induction". I tried "finite induction types" and variations thereof.
 
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In this sense of the word, there is essentially only one form of induction.

Whilst we may use the terms 'induction' and 'strong induction' for two different things they are entirely equivalent notions (i.e. each one implies the other), and your notion of induction in post 1 falls between the two. It is a simple exercise to show that your description is equivalent to ordinary induction.
 
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"Strong induction" asserts:

If P(1) is true and
whenever P(n) is true for all [itex]n\le k[/itex], then P(k+1) is true

Then P(n) is true for all P

It is "Strong" because the hypotheses are easier- you only have to show P(k+1) is true when P(n) is true for all [itex]n\le k[/itex] so you have "more information". It is easy to see that "strong induction" implies regular induction: if P(k+1) is true whenever P(k) is true then it is certainly the case that P(k+1) is true whenever P(n) is true for all n less than or equal to k.

The remarkable thing is that regular induction implies strong induction:

Suppose P(n) is a statement such that:
P(1) is true and
whenever P(n) is true for all n less than or equal to k, P(k+1) is true.

Let Q(n) be the statement "P(m) is true for all m less than or equal to n".

Q(1) is the statement "P(m) is true for all m less than or equal to 1". But the only natural number "less than or equal to 1" is 1 itself. Q(1) just says P(1) is true- and that's true.

Now suppose Q(k) is true. That means P(m) is true for all m less than or equal to k and so, by the induction hypothesis, P(k+1) is true. But since we already have that P(m) is true for all m less than or equal to k, we now know that P(m) is true for all k less than or equal to k+1: Q(k+1) is true. Therefore, by regular induction, Q(n) is true for all n. But Q(n) says P(m) is true for all m less than or equal to n. If Q(n) is true for all n, then P(n) is true for all n.

The statement given in the first post looks like "strong" induction restricted to n greater than or equal to m. As everyone else has said, it is equivalent (as long as n is larger than or equal to m) to regular induction.
 
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Werg22 said:
The only two terms for induction I've ever heard about are finite induction and mathematical induction.

there is also Transfinite Induction which is an extension to well-ordered sets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfinite_induction
 

What is induction on P(x) for x = m to n?

Induction on P(x) for x = m to n is a mathematical method used to prove that a statement P(x) is true for all values of x within a given range, typically from m to n.

Why is induction on P(x) useful?

Induction on P(x) is useful because it allows us to prove a statement is true for all values of x within a given range, without having to individually prove it for each value of x.

What is the general process for induction on P(x) for x = m to n?

The general process for induction on P(x) for x = m to n involves three steps: first, we prove that P(m) is true for the starting value of x, m. Then, we assume that P(k) is true for some arbitrary value of x, k, and use this assumption to prove that P(k+1) is also true. Finally, we use these two steps to prove that P(n) is true, thus completing the induction.

Can induction on P(x) be used for any range of values?

Yes, induction on P(x) can be used for any range of values, as long as the starting value of x, m, and the ending value of x, n, are clearly defined and finite.

What are some common mistakes to avoid when using induction on P(x) for x = m to n?

Some common mistakes to avoid when using induction on P(x) for x = m to n include assuming that P(m) is true without actually proving it, using circular reasoning, or assuming that P(k+1) is true without using the assumption that P(k) is true. It is important to carefully follow the steps of induction and make sure all assumptions and proofs are valid.

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