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Here we go, folks... heads low; who's next?
US President George W Bush has vowed the US will not tire in its "war on terror", but acknowledged that more difficulties could lie ahead.
His speech came amid flagging public support for the war in Iraq, where more than 2,000 US servicemen have died.

Mr Bush said he would accept nothing less than "complete victory" in the war on terror, which he described as the first great war of the 21st century.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4386162.stm
Just 'the first great war', huh? Boy, was Orwell ever right!

EDIT: Bets, anyone? I'm thinking... Syria, perhaps. That seems to be what things are hyping up towards from what I've seen in the news of late. What does everyone else think?
 
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Ugh. I think I'm going to move to Europe.
I'm still in shock that the American Public is stupid enough to re-elect this moron. :mad:

I guarentee you Bush is eyeballing several other countries for war, and as soon as gets an opportunity to get the American public to agree with him (or he "manufactures" another reason) He'll attack some other country... with your childrens lives at stake.

I promise you if there is ever another draft and they come for my son... theres going to some bullets flying in Phoenix.

He wants Iran & Syria for sure.
 
I just think he's going down so fast that he'll have real problems with any more wars.

He had 90% approval after 9/11.

He blew it. His approval is plummeting to new lows.

I think the next three years are mostly going to be him being angry and getting nothing done. No wars, no draft, more people want a pull out of Iraq than not - and the incumbents for 2006 know that. They won't support military action, at least not anything involving a lot more troops.

But I'm usually wrong on this kind of stuff. So who knows.
 

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Bush has bigger things to worry about than Syria. There isn't going to be another war any time in the foreseeable future. Libby just got indicted and there's still a Supreme Court vacancy, then a decent chance that at least one house of Congress makes a significant democratic shift next year. Something really needs to be done about the domestic oil problems, too - lack of refinery capacity, high prices. Even Bill O'Reilly was pissed at the record profits, saying that Exxon, et al had "taken profit off of the backs of the working man."
 
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Even Bill O'Reilly was pissed at the record profits, saying that Exxon, et al had "taken profit off of the backs of the working man."
DAMN ... That's practically a communist slogan!!! Do you think O'Reilly is going native to avoid the chop if the general public shifts to the left?

A lot of conservatives are 'truck drivers' and 'rural folk' with a high reliance on gasoline... 'Working men' (kinda sexist but Bill has to take it one step at a time I suppose.) who don't give a damn who dies in foreign countries as long as they are using guns and killing 'visible' [instert epithet here] but mess with their livlihoods and there's H-E-doublehockeysticks to pay.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051028/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_industry_profits_1;_ylt=AkZ4iXUdBgQWslAUnLIALJ.AsnsA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl [Broken]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Don't expect the oil industry to boost fuel production merely to deflect criticism from Congress about soaring prices and profits. Energy executives and analysts insist that in spite of the supply crunch that has kept oil above $50 a barrel for much of the year, demand and prices are still prone to ups and downs, so the industry should not rush to drill wells and expand refineries just because it is flush with cash.
or maybe this should go in the "What's wrong with capitalism thread". :biggrin:
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051028/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_industry_profits_1;_ylt=AkZ4iXUdBgQWslAUnLIALJ.AsnsA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl [Broken]
or maybe this should go in the "What's wrong with capitalism thread". :biggrin:
Of course doesn't capitalism rely upon competition in the marketplace to set prices?

When you get organizations like OPEC et al., how can anyone say this is capitalism built on competition and the 'supply and demand' theory of ecconomics?

What do you call that ... it isn't capitalism ... it isn't communism or socialism.

And yet, since we need oil for EVERYTHING it underpines/mines everything by default.
 
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Of course doesn't capitalism rely upon competition in the marketplace to set prices?
When you get organizations like OPEC et al., how can anyone say this is capitalism built on competition and the 'supply and demand' theory of ecconomics?
What do you call that ... it isn't capitalism ... it isn't communism or socialism.
And yet, since we need oil for EVERYTHING it underpines/mines everything by default.

Marx would have called that the internal contradictions of capitalism. The free market is 50% a fantasy; many more prices are "administered" than its fans like to believe.
 
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Uhh, am I the only one who see's this as just saying it's the first great war, not even thinking about further wars, just that this is a big war?
 
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moose said:
Uhh, am I the only one who see's this as just saying it's the first great war, not even thinking about further wars, just that this is a big war?
[edit]Greater than WWII?[/edit]

See reference to George Orwell. In the OP. It is the beginning of an endless war, where the enemies will change, and history will be re-written, while Haliburton rakes in the contracts.:tongue2:

I am not going to fight it. Going to get me a job at Haliburton and be a rich capitalist.

NOT!
 

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Aren't you already a contractor?
 
How's the War George?

"Great!!!" he replied.

So just what does he mean by 'Great'?

Fun?
 
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loseyourname said:
Aren't you already a contractor?
Not for Halliburton.

Halliburton gets paid like $3000 a day for contractors in Iraq.

Care to guess how many of those contractors are Nepalese who thought they were going to work in Jordan?

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1017-25.htm [Broken]
 
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Not for Halliburton.
Halliburton gets paid like $3000 a day for contractors in Iraq.
Care to guess how many of those contractors are Nepalese who thought they were going to work in Jordan?
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1017-25.htm [Broken]
Okay ... as amazing and as nasty as that story is:

There was mention at the cessation of hostilities that there was a 40-50% unemployment rate in Iraq and Halliburton was bringing in Filipinos to do this type of work.

Does anyone have new numbes?

Has Halliburton put all of the Iraqis to work that it can or have they just gone for a new source of cheap labour?
 
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Okay ... as amazing and as nasty as that story is:
There was mention at the cessation of hostilities that there was a 40-50% unemployment rate in Iraq and Halliburton was bringing in Filipinos to do this type of work.
Does anyone have new numbes?
Has Halliburton put all of the Iraqis to work that it can or have they just gone for a new source of cheap labour?
Last I heard the Iraqi's are finding work as insurgents.
 
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It's coming to the point that usually concerned but not involved people like myself are starting to think: "how can we stop this madman?" and "where can I get a gun".
 
Skyhunter said:
Last I heard the Iraqi's are finding work as insurgents.
Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
 

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Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
yomamma's signature!:tongue:
 

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Skyhunter said:
Not for Halliburton.
I know. You are a capitalist, though. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Maybe if one of your friends gets elected mayor, you can get a little mini-racket going; Halliburton lite.
 

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Managing resources globally
is the only useful activity
of the heads of state.

Isn't simplicity fun??
 

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