UK pilots landing sideways in Leeds - Video

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The discussion centers around the technique of crosswind landings, specifically in the context of a video showcasing UK pilots landing in Leeds under windy conditions. Participants explore the methods used in such landings, the training pilots undergo, and the experiences of passengers during these maneuvers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that crosswind landings, or "crab landings," are a common and impressive skill that pilots learn early in their training.
  • One participant describes the difference between a crab and a slip, explaining that a slip involves a bank angle that may be disconcerting for passengers, while a crab keeps the aircraft aligned with the wind.
  • Another participant mentions that while pilots generally prefer runways aligned with the wind, they are trained to handle crosswind landings when necessary.
  • Some express admiration for the pilots' ability to manage these landings effectively, highlighting the skill involved.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the enjoyment of performing such maneuvers in smaller aircraft, like a Cessna, compared to larger aircraft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the training and techniques involved in crosswind landings, but there are differing views on the experiences of passengers and the appropriateness of various landing techniques in different aircraft sizes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for large versus small aircraft in crosswind conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of consensus on the best landing technique for different aircraft sizes and the varying comfort levels of passengers during these maneuvers.

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UK pilots make a good crosswind landing, or "crab landing " despite winds in Leeds, the highest UK airport (208 m):
Landing sideways in Leeds - Video. Winter 2015

Imagine, how passengers from Scotland felt... Such a relief that they make it on the first attempt... )
 
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Can't speak much for this size aircraft, and it is impressive, but pilots start learning to do this very early in training. Doing this in a Cessna may well be the most fun you can have in a seated position. A crab is also called a forward slip. Another option is the side slip, where the fuselage stays aligned with the runway, but rolled towards the incoming wind. While just as safe, this is not done with unknowing passengers as being so tilted may make them too unneasy.
 
excellent piece of flying !
 
Jeez, I just looked on the internet and apparently this is so common that pilots are always trained for it! I've flown a fair amount and have had the good fortune to never experience it but it's pretty cool the way they usually deal with it quite well.
 
They generally try to use a runway that is pretty well aligned with the wind if possible to avoid this, but they do have this capability if necessary. It can be fairly impressive to watch:

 
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Can't speak much for this size aircraft, and it is impressive, but pilots start learning to do this very early in training. Doing this in a Cessna may well be the most fun you can have in a seated position. A crab is also called a forward slip. Another option is the side slip, where the fuselage stays aligned with the runway, but rolled towards the incoming wind. While just as safe, this is not done with unknowing passengers as being so tilted may make them too unneasy.

A slip is different from a crab. In a slip, the aircraft is put into an attitude such that the relative wind is not aligned with the fuselage (through use of opposing aileron and rudder). This is commonly used for crosswind landings in small aircraft, as it allows the aircraft to point more directly down the runway (and in line with its ground track, but not with the relative wind) during the landing despite the crosswind. In a slip, there is a significant bank angle though, which could cause a large aircraft to drag a wing or an engine on the runway. In addition, a slip is somewhat disconcerting for passengers. Because of these reasons, large aircraft usually do crosswind landings with a crab rather than a slip.

With a crab, the aircraft is still aligned with the relative wind - there is no aileron or rudder needed (and the airplane is not "slipping" at all - as far as the aerodynamics are concerned, the airplane is on a straight, normal descent). The ground track is aligned with the runway by pointing the nose of the aircraft upwind, and the aircraft is yawed at the last minute to align with the runway as it touches down. This keeps the wings relatively level, but at the expense of a potential high sideload on the landing gear (which is part of the reason this is not done with small aircraft - they tend not to like sideloads on the gear).
 

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