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UN votes on Israel Wall

  1. Jul 21, 2004 #1
    http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1560739,00.html

    What are your views on the wall?

    My view: It's been nicknamed the "Apartheid Wall" and it dwarfs the Berlin Wall. It's just a massive symbol of oppression which should not exist in todays's society. Why they were allowed to build it is beyond me and I personally think it should go. Also, as I asked earlier, WHY did the US vote in favour of it staying up?????????? :confused: :confused:
     
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  3. Jul 21, 2004 #2
    well, part of the wall was built inside palestinian territory... furthermore, it made it impossible for the already compromized regular palestinians to get to school and work on the other side... i'm personally beginning to believe that israel wants to create terrorism, so that they have an excuse for getting rid of the palestinians so israel can be spread across the entire area...
    nuff said...
     
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  4. Jul 21, 2004 #3

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    This barrier is just a temporary border line between
    Israel and the Palestinian territories, a natural
    continuation of a state border. Something like
    this should have been built a long time ago but
    internal politics prevented it. This border, even though
    partly built for now and progressing slowly, has already
    prevented the death of 200-300 Israeli citizens in
    terrorist attacks for the past year or so, compared
    to statistics of an earlier year. It also saved the lives
    of some innocent Palestinians who could've suffered
    due to higher Israeli anti-terrorist activities.

    The whole argument is not about its existence but rather
    about its location. It is not located on the 1967 lines.
    (The difference is not serious - according to the recent plans.)
    However, it would be illogical for Israel to errect a border
    there. Since the Palestinian leadership currently has
    no ability of proper government, chaos reigns in the Palestinian
    territories and terrorist organizations dictate their own rule,
    Israel has no one to nagotiate with for anything, and all it
    can do is await better times while it rightfully protects itself.
     
  5. Jul 21, 2004 #4

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    btw, these references to Appertheid or Berlin or
    completely out of place. Israel and the PA have different
    defined territories and different people. There are
    no simularities here whatsoever.

    The US vote is abvious, right and brave. The US,
    unlike so many other countries cares about peace
    in its borders and in the world and the lives of
    people, a peace which is currently threathened by
    terrorism. And is not afraid of the Muslim dictatorships
    and terrorist warlords, who strangely enough, are
    considerd fully ligitimate in their pretty UN seats.
     
  6. Jul 21, 2004 #5

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    Why doesn't anyone compare it to the Great Wall of China? :frown:
     
  7. Jul 21, 2004 #6

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    Quite right.
    But, we don't want to insult the Mongols. :wink:
     
  8. Jul 21, 2004 #7
    Israel is doing today what Germany did in the approach to WW2.
     
  9. Jul 21, 2004 #8

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    Who was constantly attacking Germany "in the approach to WW2?"
     
  10. Jul 21, 2004 #9

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    Wasn't France the one fortifying prior to WWII? :tongue:
     
  11. Jul 21, 2004 #10

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    As Israel has long been the dominant military force in the mid-east one wonders why they did not exercise their ability to dominate all their neighbors. That they haven’t is a remarkable testament to the noble qualities of the Israel citizen. The despotic leaders of the surrounding countries and the Palestinians should be very happy the Israelis merely built a wall.

    In Adam speak; the Germans constructed La Ligne Maginot to fend off the French.
     
  12. Jul 21, 2004 #11
    Lebensraum und Grossraumwirtschaft, ja Herr Adam?

    Am I the only one who caught Ariel Shiron's spellbinding speech on Temple Mount justifying territorial expansion to a mesmerized Israeli horde.
     
  13. Jul 21, 2004 #12

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    Yes, I think they have shown remarkable restraint for the past 35 years. I think part of the reason they have is we have them on a leash. And the corollary to that is that if we stop giving them aid, the leash comes off...
     
  14. Jul 22, 2004 #13

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    Really, Russ ?
    How about - they just wan'na live in peace and just
    be left the FXXX alone by all those crazy nutcases. :wink:
     
  15. Jul 23, 2004 #14

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    Yeah, wink....

    ...but if Canadians were blowing up busses and pizza parlors full of civilians on a weekly basis, we wouldn't wait 35 years to overrun them.
     
  16. Jul 23, 2004 #15
    You think there were no Jewish groups, communists, liberals, homsexuals, gypsies, blacks, and others who were annoyed with what Hitler was doing?
     
  17. Jul 23, 2004 #16
    Germany:
    - Forced relocations into controllable areas.
    - Killing any leaders of the subject group.
    - Basically oppressing the hell out of them.
    - Teaching their own kids that Israelis are all thieving, murdering, sub-human scum.

    Israel:
    - Forced relocations into controllable areas.
    - Killing any leaders of the subject group.
    - Basically oppressing the hell out of them.
    - Teaching their own kids that Palestinians are all thieving, murdering, sub-human scum.
     
  18. Jul 23, 2004 #17

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    Jews:
    - Were not carrying out regular attacks on civilian targets.
    - Did not teach children that all Germans were subhuman scum.

    Palestinians:
    - Do carry out regular attacks on Israeli civilians.
    - Do teach that Jews are subhuman scum.

    When did your world get so one-dimensional, Adam?
     
  19. Jul 23, 2004 #18
    Palestinians:
    - Are not carrying out regular attacks on civilian targets.
    - Do not teach children than Jews are subhuman scum.

    Israelis:
    - Do carry out regular attacks on civilian targets.
    - Do teach their children that Palestinians are subhuman scum.

    Some Palestinians, not "Palestinians", attack civilian targets. The IDF does it as a matter of policy.

    The assertion that my world is one-dimensional lacks support. You waste energy by typing such drivel.

    And now, for the educational benefit of those who clearly don't observe the world around them...

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DBFFC9EA-FB90-4A06-9C30-091D9B118EEE.htm
    http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8249433%5E1702,00.html
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=499003
    http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7567019%5E1702,00.html
    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B6E27ADF-9E5B-45CD-A4CD-403A3BCF3D39.htm
    http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7543145%5E401,00.html
    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EE06A7BC-F8D2-4CE9-8A9F-DC2A62B2C133.htm
    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/67979658-79FE-4CD1-83A4-7D378A081848.htm
    http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7473991%5E401,00.html
    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AE871B47-A5D9-428E-B8E5-26E52D387622.htm
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,917834,00.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4629052-103681,00.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2828985.stm
    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2828985.stm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/unitedstates/unpolicy/gen2003/0115us.htm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/veto/2002/1223israel.htm

    HISTORY OF THE ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN CONFLICT

    GENERAL:
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
    http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/ec8db69f77e7a33e052567270057e591/3b58e8d0adf62b5f852561230077c62d
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/025974039acfb171852560de00548bbe

    HISTORY:
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/d442111e70e417e3802564740045a309
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/c426c561856178058025647400468f80
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/40af4c8615bc9837802564740046f767

    UN RESOLUTIONS:
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/7f0af2bd897689b785256c330061d253
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...852560c3005da209?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,242
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...852560c50065f878?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,338

    MAPS:
    http://domino.un.org/maps/pal_maps.htm
     
  20. Jul 23, 2004 #19
    Israeli Textbooks and Children's Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs

    PART ONE

     
  21. Jul 23, 2004 #20
    Israeli Textbooks and Children's Literature Promote Racism and Hatred Toward Palestinians and Arabs

    PART TWO

     
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