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  1. Mar 13, 2006 #1
    As I've discussed here befor ephysicist don't get paid that much. I could make as much driving trucks or delivering food.

    Well I decided I'm gonna move, to Southern California. San Diego willprobrably be my next place of residence. I don't that they have any IV type colleges but I'm sure there's a city university.

    The University Of San Diego is what I'm speaking. If I go there I will probrably be studying Business Managment. I might go ahead and go with Physics. I want to know id USD good? USC,Standford,and Caltech are Califronia's premier colleges but they're not in San Diego.
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  3. Mar 13, 2006 #2


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    Make sure you are thinking of the right university.

    There is University of San Diego - http://www.sandiego.edu/about/ - a Catholic university, which is primarily liberal arts. I believe it is a private institution.

    and the University of California - San Diego - http://www.ucsd.edu/ - public institution - good science and engineering programs

    as well as San Diego State University - http://www.sdsu.edu/ - public university with diverse academic programs.
  4. Mar 13, 2006 #3
    If thats such an issue you should waste your time doing something else.

    You are debating between Business Management and physics? I don't think you have the desire necessary to get through a physics degree.
  5. Mar 14, 2006 #4
    Wrong, both good fields. I'm thinking of I get into Business Mangment I can become a CEO at a computer or technological company. If the position exists I'd become manager at a lab or scientific institution.

    The way I see it being the physicist/engineer at a technological company iis working harder and paid less. Being manger/executive at a technological company is less work more income.
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    I'm not so sure where you get your information from, especially on this somehow "automatic" ability to be a "manager" at a lab or scientific institution simply based on a business degree.

    The "managers" at scientific institutions are typically people who are respected and have attained high achievement in that field. This means that these are not MBA's. The division director of my division here at Argonne was profiled in Nature a couple of weeks ago. You'd notice that he became our director not because he had a business or management degree, but rather because of his ability in this field and his outstanding contribution. Practically every group leaders and people in charge of engineers and scientists in every US National Labs are people who are well-known in that particular area.

    You will find the same practice done in even private labs such as Bell Labs, NEC Labs, IBM, etc. Now this doesn't mean getting an MBA isn't useful, but without an outstanding credential in physics, you cannot be a manager of a research or scientific group.

  7. Mar 15, 2006 #6
    My guess would be not. MBAs do not run science labs, for a good reason.

    In other words you don't have the desire to get a physics degree. As I said.

    You are right that you will make more money for less work with a Business degree, though. Noone who gets a physics degree does it for the money, so if thats your concern, you're better off doing something else.
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    In the vast majority of technical organizations, the managers are NOT vanilla business majors. They are almost exclusively technical people who have simply chosen to take their careers in the management direction. Many companies will essentially give you the choice of a "technical" track or a "management" track after your first couple of entry-level positions.

    If all you want is a lot of income with very little work or knowledge, there are probably no positions that will interest you in the scientific or technological fields.

    I suggest you look into a career in real estate. I'm not being facetious. You do need to invest some time and effort into learning how the housing industry functions, but far less than for any scientific or technological profession. After this basic training, all you need to do is start drumming up clientele. If you're social and a good salesman, success in real estate can be relatively easy. On the downside, you won't necessarily know when your next paycheck will come.

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  9. Mar 15, 2006 #8
    I don't think physicist are paid THAT paid, and with PhD in physics you can do something else (Wall Street, finances, computing,...) which is better payed if you're looking to make more money. But if you're not interested in physics, there is not much sense in spending that much time it takes to get a PhD.

    Besides, there's and old saying: "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." -Confucius. :smile:

    For example, there was recently a story about a director of Brookhaven National Laboratory who quitted as a director (http://www.physicsweb.org/articles/news/10/2/12/1). This guy had a PhD in physical metallurgy and worked 36 years at IBM, before going to Brookhaven.
  10. Mar 15, 2006 #9
    I am intrested in Physics.

    WHat I'd really like to be is an inventor. But companies like Sony,,Intel,Microsoft, take people with business degrees to make technological decisions in their company.
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    If you're interested in physics, study physics. If you're interested in making more money, study business. If you're interested in being involved in high technology, making loads of money, and doing little work: dream on. Don't expect anyone to give you a job managing and high-tech company if you have no high-tech experience.

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    Line from what you are saying, you have to sit down and think through your choices. What's important to you? What are you going to look back on in 30 years and be satisfied or chagrined about?

    What one gets out of academic careers is the great satisfaction of discovering new stuff and the respect of some of the smartest people in the world. That's assuming you're that good, of course but it's no more unrealistic to assume you've got the chops for physics research than to assume that an MBA will get you a good management job. You've overlooked competion from other MBA holders (a huge number of people) in that last calculation. And that's another difference; in business you will be in an overwhelmingly huge community, in physics nobody you meet on an airplane will know what you'r interested in or care. There are a lot of downsides to research, which is why people are telling you that if you're not driven to do it, you're probably not going to wind up staying with it.

    But do look into your own self and see what you really will value for years to come, versus what looks glamorous right now. Then the answer should be a little clearer to you.
  13. Mar 15, 2006 #12
    SO I need a technical degree evento take an administrative role at a technological company?

    WHat that guy who's company got into trouble and as the CEO he told the judge he didn't know anything about accounting.

    I studied engineering in high school and spent a year at college for electronics but have no degree. Will that make it?
  14. Mar 16, 2006 #13
    I doubt it.
  15. Mar 16, 2006 #14
    The people who make decisions in every high tech company I've worked for, unless they are CEO, CFO or COO, usually have a degree in some technical discipline, and an MBA later on as they work their way up. No one gets into a high paying business position with a bachelors straight out of college. Maybe eventually, when they work their way up the food chain, but for high tech, the easier path is technical degree and MBA. The higher ups such as CEO or CFO have a wide variety of backgrounds.
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    Kids these days have such a sense of entitlement. How on earth does anyone come to the conclusion that a year of electronics classes qualifies him/her to be the CEO of a technology company? :rolleyes:

    Work hard, study, learn all you can, and you'll succeed. That's the only guaranteed way.

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  17. Mar 16, 2006 #16
    Even then, there's no guarantee. Success is also part luck (being in the right place at the right time) as well as part work.
  18. Mar 17, 2006 #17

    There is no gauranteed way. Aside from that, I agree.
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