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News UN's sex scandal

  1. Dec 29, 2004 #1
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  3. Dec 29, 2004 #2
    I don't understand the comparison to Abu Ghraib.
  4. Dec 29, 2004 #3


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    Prisoners at Abu Ghraib were humiliated by being stripped and taunted. In this case, we have UN workers forcing pre-pubescent girls to act in pornographic films. I guess you're right to draw disparallels. The girls being abused by the UN were actually innocent.
  5. Dec 29, 2004 #4
    So is this what you are talking about?

    From the Taguba report
    WOW, I guess there really is no low to far to go! I guess it could be worse, oh wait that is the stuff we are not seeing.

    HERE are the orders from the top! I guess that makes it all OK, right?

    How many detainees were innocent?

    Regardless of the abuses of who and where, this is not acceptable by any means or justification. The fact that you guys are making some kind of statement at the expense of those people suggests that you are sick and demented. You people need some serious therapy!
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    Your "orders from the top" link clearly states that physical beating, sexual contact/humiliation, etc. were not authorized by those at the top.

    Clearly, the actions of the UN officials in the OPs link are despicable. It's starting to look like people in power, when made to work in 3rd world locations, start turning into animals. It's pathetic !
  7. Dec 30, 2004 #6


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    I think you're being a little blind here if you seriously don't think these are equally bad cases. I don't recall anyone saying that any abuse is acceptable. To be honest, I have no problem with most of the abuses listed from the prison (nonetheless, I recognize that it's illegal and shouldn't be done), but I certainly do have a great deal of a problem with child pornography. These children are not being detained in the middle of a war. Furthermore, you will see from the article that these abuses are far more widespread than the prison scandal. I'm not justifying Abu Ghraib or suggesting that it was not a bad thing, but I'm a little perturbed by people like smurf that seem to so flippantly ignore the abuses perpetrated by anyone other than the US while constantly highlighting every bad thing done by the US. To try and say that this isn't just as bad or even worse is pretty ridiculous.
  8. Dec 30, 2004 #7
    I don't flippantly ignore the abuses of other powers, I just think that the comparison to Abu Ghraib is a ridiculous attempt to make the US fit the "Big Friendly Giant who makes a few mistakes" stereotype while simultaneously putting down the UN. These two cases are completely unrelated and I think the article provided is extremely biased, dare I say blindly patriotic.

    This is a terrible act but the article provided does not do it justice.
  9. Dec 30, 2004 #8
    As the http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404F.shtml [Broken] shows authorisation has been given by the highest echelon in the US administration, Abu Ghraib is a case of systematic practice of torture perpetrated by a country that champions human right.

    The sexual abuse in Congo was the act of depraved individuals who happen to work for the UN. The UN was highlighted in the report in a bid to (further) undermine the authority of the organisation and indirectly justify the gun-ho, kick-ass unilateralism of the US.
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    Do ya guys see what I'm talking about? You're proving my point here. Someone starts a thread about sexual abuse by the UN and you come in saying that the article is unfair and again reminding us of the infinite evil of the US. You just don't care if bad things happen unless they're done by Americans.
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    Your point has still some holes in it ... even if one would consider the UN peacekeepers and US military to act similarly (which in this case to certain extent seems to be true), the motivation of the US is quite a bit different from that of the UN. Let alone what transpires and what actions are seen feasible in the chain of command as Polly stated above. In any case this is horrid enough without any comparisons.
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    Edit: Screw it. This isn't the place for this.
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  13. Jan 12, 2005 #12
    I find it really curious that when the US commits a little mistake, it makes huge headlines and when the UN does something much worse, the issue is barely discussed. Looks like the world is prejudiced against the US.
  14. Jan 12, 2005 #13

    You've got to be kidding. Both situations are an absolute disgrace. The UN scandle absolutely must be sorted out, just as the "little mistake" made by the US military was. To turn this into a UN Versus US debate is the worst kind of opportunism. Please, this is really dragging PF into the mud.

    Has anyone any concrete suggestions as to what to do to rectify the UN problem?
  15. Jan 12, 2005 #14
    I am never implying that both the situations weren't a disgrace. What I am saying is why is the US critisized so severely for even the smallest faults (not implying that Abu Ghraib was a small fault) while dirty things in the rest of the world barely make headlines especially in the media.

    Bush was critisized so severely when WMDs were not found. When it was discovered that explosives had been moven out of Iraq before US invasion, the thing was in the mainstream news for hardly a week.

    Why such a big bias and prejudice against the US?
  16. Jan 12, 2005 #15
    If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you start a new thread? Or self-help group.

    To get back to the point, what can be done to prevent this kind of abuse - under the auspices of the UN no less - happening again?
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    Funny...I could have sworn that was the point...particularly considering the thread starters...thread starting...post "Surely this will stay in the news as long as the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal right? " But wtf do I know? :yuck:
  18. Jan 12, 2005 #17
    Have it your way. But as far as I am concerned, having a self-pitying whinge about 'why the world hates us' on the back of a massive sex abuse scandal isn't very edifying, to say the least.
  19. Jan 13, 2005 #18
    Not edifying but very revealing about the attitude of the world towards the US and their reasons.
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    The attitude towards the UN scandal is very much the same as towards the incidents of the US ... no matter who does this as individuals we can condemn any such action to the lowest inferno, I'd call it a natural reaction over 'revealing'. There shouldn't be a need to wallow on any "revealing" implications since at least as far as I'm concerned there are none, both occurrences are huge violations and need to be dealt with.
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