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Urgent Center of mass and relevant stuffs

  1. Dec 16, 2008 #1
    Urgent !!! Center of mass and relevant stuffs

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    A vertical spring of constant k is attached at the bottom to a platform of mass mp, and at the top to a massless cup. The platform rests on a scale. A ball of mass mb is placed in the cup. What is the reading on the sacle when (a) the spring is compressed an amount d= mb*g/k (b) the ball comes to rest momentarily with the spring compressed ? (c) the ball again comes to rest in its original position ??



    2. Relevant equations

    F=Ma

    3. The attempt at a solution

    I have no clue how to solve this one. can someone help me ??
     
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  3. Dec 16, 2008 #2
    Re: Urgent !!! Center of mass and relevant stuffs

    Still have not figured it out yet, anyone ??
     
  4. Dec 16, 2008 #3
    Re: Urgent !!! Center of mass and relevant stuffs

    I'm stumbling through the same problem myself. This is what I've managed to come up with to (a), I haven't solved (b) or (c) yet. I'm new to this site (obviously) and I think that underscores are used to indicate subscript and carets are used to indicate superscript, yes? That's what I've used here, in any case.

    F_n = Normal force
    d = distance spring is compressed
    k = force constant
    a_cm = acceleration of the center of mass

    F_n - m_b*g - m_p*g = (m_b + m_p)a_cm
    F_n = g(m_b + m_p) + (m_b + m_p)a_cm

    Then I tried to solve for a_cm:

    (m_b + m_p)a_cm = m_b*a_b + m_p*a_p
    I think a_p is zero, so,
    a_cm = a_b*m_b/(m_b + m_p)

    Subbing that back in I get

    F_n = g(m_b + m_p) + a_b*m_b

    I think that a_b*m_b = dk, and if so, then a_b*m_b = (m_b*g/k)*k = m_b*g so the final answer would be

    F_n = g(m_b + m_p) + a_b*m_b

    I know you're not supposed to just solve the OP's answer for them, but I have no idea if I've gotten this right, and I don't know how to do (b) and (c) (although I think that (c) is just F_n = g(m_b + m_p) but I'm not sure and it seems too easy). I'm not solving it for them intentionally; I'm just hijacking the thread to ask for help on the same question, and since the OP didn't show any work, I thought perhaps it'd be helpful if I showed mine.
     
  5. Dec 16, 2008 #4
    Re: Urgent !!! Center of mass and relevant stuffs

    yeah, I am new to this chapter too. I kinda get your idea on part a but I think a_b is not given so you cannot use that.
     
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