US Science Funding Alert - Your Immediate Action Is Requested

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Doesn't matter, I have tickets in the first row for the event . Ill get an awesome view :devil:
Moscow, DC, East/West Coast, or Mid-West? :wink:

Yep... it should be very exciting for a shake or two... then mostly dust and fire.
 
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FYI -

OAK RIDGE, Tenn., Feb. 9, 2011 — A BMI Corp. SmartTruck technology that could save 1.5 billion gallons of diesel fuel and $5 billion in fuel costs per year has hit the road in record time in part because of simulations performed on the nation's most powerful supercomputer at the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
While South Carolina-based BMI Corp. has just won an industry award from Heavy Duty

Trucking magazine, the real winners could be trucking companies and the environment. With installation of BMI's SmartTruck UnderTray System to improve the aerodynamics of 18-wheeler (Class 8) long-haul trucks, the typical big rig can achieve fuel savings of between 7 and 12 percent, easily meeting the new California Air Resources Board mandate that calls for a minimum mileage improvement of 5 percent.
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http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/get_press_release.cfm?ReleaseNumber=mr20110209-00

http://www.sc.doe.gov/ascr/
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people that have been calling for the gutting, or even disbandment of the DOE don't have any real idea of what kind of work the DOE does (i.e., the kind of research projects it funds). I would be less surprised if a large number of them think the DOE works primarily on alternative energy research!
 
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Science will bring about more job loss & unemployment..it's a risk that has to be weighed
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people that have been calling for the gutting, or even disbandment of the DOE don't have any real idea of what kind of work the DOE does. I would be less surprised if a large number of them think the DOE works primarily on alternative energy research!
Gokul, you're not going to want to hear this, but most people won't know what the DOE IS. I'm not being trite; this is a fallacy I see among intelligent people who surround themselves with other intelligent people; the, "Every schoolboy should know this!" fallacy. It's not that you're wrong in principle, but in practice people are FAR more ignorant and apathetic than you're giving them credit for. Sad, but very true.
 
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Science will bring about more job loss & unemployment..it's a risk that has to be weighed
How do you figure that... and do you have a shred of evidence?
 
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How do you figure that... and do you have a shred of evidence?
wikipedia summarizes it pretty well

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery

technology creates so called structural unemployment, and it's always been assumed that less skilled , displaced workers can go to school and aquaire the skills needed to enter a more technical workplace, but nowadays that is not even good enough.
 
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wikipedia summarizes it pretty well

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery

technology creates so called structural unemployment, and it's always been assumed that less skilled , displaced workers can go to school and aquaire the skills needed to enter a more technical workplace, but nowadays that is not even good enough.
I think generalizing from automation to "science" in general is more of a leap than you've provided the grounding for. Beyond that, you're looking at one element of the job situation, and ignoring that the world continues without us. I'm not seeing anything in that wikipedia article to justify the blanket notion that science kills jobs.

I'd say science promotes change, and in the midst of change people's jobs become defunct. The alternative is to be a Luddite, or cede the technology to other nations and STILL lose jobs.
 
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Science will bring about more job loss & unemployment..it's a risk that has to be weighed
This should read; The bureaucratization of science will bring about more job loss & unemployment.

Recently Democrat Obama dumped an astronomical motherload of "stimulus money" on the DoE ( Democrat Jimmy Carter's origin ), as well as on other of their bureaucratic comrades. The consequences of this will be suffered for many generations.
 
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Yeah, the suffering has already begun. See post #102, for instance.
 
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This should read; The bureaucratization of science will bring about more job loss & unemployment.

Recently Democrat Obama dumped an astronomical motherload of "stimulus money" on the DoE ( Democrat Jimmy Carter's origin ), as well as on other of their bureaucratic comrades. The consequences of this will be suffered for many generations.
Bolding mine. Please post the research that proves this. Do not post again until you post the mainstream peer reviewed studies that back you up.
 
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Evo.

Obama's monetary policy ( stimulus money dumping ) makes it seem that more capital exists for production than actually exists. There are cases of economic growth, but this is short-term and fortuitous. Malinvestment is what actually occurs. Investment plans will seem feasible in a Obama boom, but will be in error due to a lack of real capital that actual entrepreneurs would have invested, based on a real anticipation of the future.

You and others are getting touchy and seem to have a vested interest in Obama's stimulus, so I'm outta here.
 
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Evo.

Obama's monetary policy ( stimulus money dumping ) makes it seem that more capital exists for production than actually exists. There are cases of economic growth, but this is short-term and fortuitous. Malinvestment is what actually occurs. Investment plans will seem feasible in a Obama boom, but will be in error due to a lack of real capital that actual entrepreneurs would have invested, based on a real anticipation of the future.

You and others are getting touchy and seem to have a vested interest in Obama's stimulus, so I'm outta here.
Obama has nothing to do with this. You've made claims that you haven't backed up. Plus this thread is about future budget cuts. I agree, based on your posts in this thread, that it's best you opt out.
 
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Recently Democrat Obama dumped an astronomical motherload of "stimulus money" on the DoE ( Democrat Jimmy Carter's origin ), as well as on other of their bureaucratic comrades. The consequences of this will be suffered for many generations.
This statement is misleading. The increase in funding of DOE is not astronomical.

In 1977, DOE was formed from a consolidation of existing organizations. A precursor, ERDA was formed under the Ford administration.

THE ENERGY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION (ERDA)
Following the "Energy Crisis" of the early 1970s, the Nation recognized the need to expand research and development activities involving alternative forms of energy, and to reorganize nuclear energy regulation. In 1975, the AEC was replaced by the Energy Research and Development Administration (ERDA), which was created to focus the federal government's energy research development activities into one unified agency, which was also to include AEC's nuclear energy defense activities. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) was also created out of remaining parts of the AEC's mission. Chicago Operations Office became part of the new ERDA incorporating AEC's R&D functions, including basic research and nuclear power development, and an assortment of other federal agencies' fossil, solar and alternate energy research, development and demonstration activities.
http://www.ch.doe.gov/html/site_info/energy_research.htm

THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY (DOE)
In 1977 the Administration and Congress acted to further consolidate federal energy policy, R&D, and nuclear energy defense functions. ERDA was integrated with the Federal Energy Administration and other federal energy functions to create a Cabinet-level U.S. Department of Energy. The governmental elements brought together to form DOE included the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission; the Economic Regulatory Administration; the automotive research and development sections of the Environmental Protection Agency; Solar Research and Development from the National Science Foundation; and Fossil Energy and Development from the Department of the Interior's Office of Coal Research, as well as several Power Administrations.
http://www.ch.doe.gov/html/site_info/department_energy.htm

The DOE does basic research and development that industry does not do or does not want to do because R&D are considered overhead. Industry prefers that DOE fund the research based on personal experience. One energy related company used to have about 5000 employees in its reasearch center. Now it has a few hundred. The same company lost more than $5 billion during the 1980s speculating in real estate. It sold off divisions it did not consider profitable. Those divisions were profitable and become viable businesses on their own. Stockholders lost billions, but management did well considering how poorly they did.
 
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When I mentioned earlier that there are already indications that the US is in decline, several people didn't believe me. Well then, here's another article stating the same thing.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2056610,00.html?hpt=T2

He made a very important point, that the present wealth and economic power in the US were due to investments made a long time ago. These are investments in areas that are being severely cut in the current budget climate.

Zz.
 

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