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U.S. checking possibility of pumping oil from northern Iraq to Haifa, via Jordan

By Amiram Cohen

The United States has asked Israel to check the possibility of pumping oil from Iraq to the oil refineries in Haifa. The request came in a telegram last week from a senior Pentagon official to a top Foreign Ministry official in Jerusalem.

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The new pipeline would take oil from the Kirkuk area, where some 40 percent of Iraqi oil is produced, and transport it via Mosul, and then across Jordan to Israel. The U.S. telegram included a request for a cost estimate for repairing the Mosul-Haifa pipeline that was in use prior to 1948. During the War of Independence, the Iraqis stopped the flow of oil to Haifa and the pipeline fell into disrepair over the years.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=332835&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y [Broken]

& check this out. Even before the "war", Bill Blum wrote that this would happen!
Israel: The men driving Bush to war include long-time militant supporters of Israel, such as Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith, who, along with the rest of the powerful American-Israeli lobby, have advocated striking Iraq for years. Israel has been playing a key role in the American military buildup to the war. Besides getting rid of its arch enemy, Israel may have the opportunity after the war to carry out its final solution to the Palestinian question -- transferring them to Jordan, ("liberated") Iraq, and anywhere else that expanded US hegemony in the Middle East will allow. At the same time, Iraq's abundant water could be diverted to relieve a parched Israel and an old Iraqi-to-Israel oil pipeline could be rejuvenated.
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/mafia.htm [Broken]
 
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fourier jr said:

The United States has asked Israel to check the possibility of pumping oil from Iraq to the oil refineries in Haifa.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I wonder how many days per year that pipeline will be operational...

What's it made of ? 2m thick armored plate in 20 m thick concrete ?
 
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fourier jr said:
U.S. checking possibility of pumping oil from northern Iraq to Haifa, via Jordan

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=332835&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y [Broken]

& check this out. Even before the "war", Bill Blum wrote that this would happen!

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/mafia.htm [Broken]
Thanks for the interesting links, fourier jr. Israel's role in the current middle eastern conflicts has not been explored as much as it needs to be.
 
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does bill blum know his stuff or what?! :bugeye:
 
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There's a very slim chance that pipeline will become a reality any time soon.
Still, that doesn't stop all of you from waving this like it proves Israel has an interest in the war in Iraq and is the cause of it. Had you any insight into the matter you would see not only Israel has gained very little from it, it has also lost much.
Had it been a port in an Arab country assisting the US in the war in Iraq, none of you would have given this matter a thought. However, since this is Israel, I guess it deserves tough scrutiny and criticism. I would just like to remind you Israel gave up its only oil sources in exchange for nothing but peaceful relations with Egypt. That peace is today a very cold one, with the Egyptian authorities doing all they can to prevent any normalisation of civilian and economic contacts with Israel. Also, the treaty was devised and signed by a Likkud (right winged party, currently in power) government, headed by Menahem Begin (called a "big terrorist" in the Rachel Corrie thread).
Anyone who thinks pumping water from Iraq to Israel is a viable concept is a delusional hysteric. You revere this guy like he's an authority, yet if I were to refer you to a symmetrically opposing site you would discard it as "biased".
 

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fourier jr said:
The request came in a telegram last week from a senior Pentagon official to a top Foreign Ministry official in Jerusalem.
Telegram??? Guess we better get out our muskets in preperation for war with iran!
 
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There's a very slim chance that pipeline will become a reality any time soon.
Still, that doesn't stop all of you from waving this like it proves Israel has an interest in the war in Iraq and is the cause of it. Had you any insight into the matter you would see not only Israel has gained very little from it, it has also lost much.
Had it been a port in an Arab country assisting the US in the war in Iraq, none of you would have given this matter a thought. However, since this is Israel, I guess it deserves tough scrutiny and criticism. I would just like to remind you Israel gave up its only oil sources in exchange for nothing but peaceful relations with Egypt. That peace is today a very cold one, with the Egyptian authorities doing all they can to prevent any normalisation of civilian and economic contacts with Israel. Also, the treaty was devised and signed by a Likkud (right winged party, currently in power) government, headed by Menahem Begin (called a "big terrorist" in the Rachel Corrie thread).
Anyone who thinks pumping water from Iraq to Israel is a viable concept is a delusional hysteric. You revere this guy like he's an authority, yet if I were to refer you to a symmetrically opposing site you would discard it as "biased".
all good points, its like the world is out to get israel. israel is one of the most self reliant nations for its size, due mainly to its millitary and special operations. also, where would gangsters of the world be without the uzi? :tongue2:
 

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all good points, its like the world is out to get israel. israel is one of the most self reliant nations for its size, due mainly to its millitary and special operations. also, where would gangsters of the world be without the uzi? :tongue2:
They'd still be using tommyguns WHICH ARE COOL!!!!

DOWN WITH ISRAEL!!!!
 

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...israel is one of the most self reliant nations for its size, due mainly to its millitary and special operations. also, where would gangsters of the world be without the uzi? :tongue2:
Israel is still very reliant on the U.S. for financial aid and military protection, and the U.S. BTW is the gangster that owns (and sells) the uzi.
 

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What do you mean owns and sells it? Arent there dozens of varieties?

Or is it like that type of wine where you can only use the name if its created at a certain winery....
 
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all good points, its like the world is out to get israel. israel is one of the most self reliant nations for its size, due mainly to its millitary and special operations. also, where would gangsters of the world be without the uzi? :tongue2:
israel has a pretty bad record when it comes to humna rights. hasn't anyone heard of palestinian houses getting bulldozed? some jewish person referred to palestinians as "filthy animals" on msnbc also.
http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=8439 [Broken]
some irony there...
 
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Who cares what some random guy says. Whats bulldozing a few houses compared to carbombs and pipebombs and suicide bombers? That whole conflict is pretty "N/A" when it comes to human rights because its just insanity going on on both sides with 1 side pretty much fighting for their existance (no, Palestinians can move into one of their loving neighbors territory if worse comes to worse...)
 

Bilal

What if majority of Iraqi people do not agree to send their oil to Israel or to recognize this ‘’State’’ which established by destruction of Palestine?

For those American who support the Zionists, why they do not establish Jews State in California or Texas , then they can give them money, oil and ******* to enjoy them?

No for religious Ghettos or ethic cleansing in ME based on biblical myth:
Whether the ‘’Kingdom of Jerusalem’’ 12th century or “Artz Israel” in 20th century. This land belongs to its native people not for selective immigration based on religion.

Peaceful Jews are welcomed in ME, but those Zionists invaders will be defeated as what happen to crusaders in 12the century.

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Middle_East/Palestine/photo59605.htm

This ancient land
is saturated with sorrow.
Every day adds a brook
to the sea of tears.
Sorrow is like a rain,
it respects no boundaries,
it doesn't ask you
how do you name your God.


(Vera Roeder
Israeli human right activist)
 
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Yonoz said:
There's a very slim chance that pipeline will become a reality any time soon.
Will they then continue it through Northern Africa and the Atlantic straight to Texas ? :tongue:
 

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I wonder how many days per year that pipeline will be operational...

What's it made of ? 2m thick armored plate in 20 m thick concrete ?
Good point, vanesch - amazingly, many people (even policy-makers) seem to underestimate the effectiveness of guerrilla tactics and the resolve of people whose countries are being occupied to resist the occupation. I wonder why they don't understand people's resolve to resist occupation and the stealing of their land and resources? Surely anyone can at least understand if they think what they would do if they were put in the same position (being occupied by hostile forces and having their resources stolen)? Perhaps it boils down to racism: perhaps they think that people of Arab descent aren't really 'the same' as them, that they should react differently.
 

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Yonoz said:
There's a very slim chance that pipeline will become a reality any time soon.
Still, that doesn't stop all of you from waving this like it proves Israel has an interest in the war in Iraq and is the cause of it.
I personally (after having researched the issue) would not see Israel as the primary cause of the illegal invasion of Iraq – and nor does Bill Blum, actually. It is, however, a major player in the region and if the US is successful in installing a puppet government in Iraq, surely (objectively speaking) this will favour the Israeli administration?
Yonoz said:
Had you any insight into the matter you would see not only Israel has gained very little from it, it has also lost much.
What has Israel lost from the Iraq occupation, Yonoz? I’m not trying to be ‘funny’ – I’d just like to know (though I probably won’t accept the information uncritically and will investigate it further).

From what I've read, the Israeli administration has thus far indirectly benefited from the mess in Iraq in the following way: world media attention has been focused on what's happening in Iraq and the Israeli administration has taken the opportunity this presents to further its military adventures against the Palestinians (evidence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4580139.stm) and to build the new 'Berlin War' of our generation (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4268079.stm)... which now extends into the sea (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4104774.stm).
Yonoz said:
Had it been a port in an Arab country assisting the US in the war in Iraq, none of you would have given this matter a thought. However, since this is Israel, I guess it deserves tough scrutiny and criticism.
This is not fair, Yonoz – it’s a ‘victim mentality’, and it is not true. People on these discussion boards have been examining and discussing the Iraq invasion and occupation from many different angles – Israel has not been a particular focus of discussion.
Yonoz said:
I would just like to remind you Israel gave up its only oil sources in exchange for nothing but peaceful relations with Egypt. That peace is today a very cold one, with the Egyptian authorities doing all they can to prevent any normalisation of civilian and economic contacts with Israel. Also, the treaty was devised and signed by a Likkud (right winged party, currently in power) government, headed by Menahem Begin (called a "big terrorist" in the Rachel Corrie thread).
I thought I’d look this up as it’s been ages since I’ve done any readings on the history of the Israeli-Arab conflict. The Camp David Accords (1978) involved a definite ‘exchange’ (rather than one-sidedly favouring the Egyptians):
According to the Israeli-Egyptian portion of the agreement, Israel had to withdraw both its troops and settlers from the Sinai and restore it to Egyptian control in return for normal diplomatic relations with Egypt, guarantees of freedom of passage through the Suez Canal and other nearby waterways (such as the Straits of Tiran), and a restriction on the number of troops Egypt could place on the Sinai peninsula. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords_(1978)
Yonoz said:
Anyone who thinks pumping water from Iraq to Israel is a viable concept is a delusional hysteric. You revere this guy like he's an authority, yet if I were to refer you to a symmetrically opposing site you would discard it as "biased".
Labelling someone a ‘delusional hysteric’ is not a good argument against what they’re saying. Also, Israel is the sixth (and last) point on Blum's list – before Israel, he lists the reasons for the invasion of Iraq as being:1. Expansion of the American Empire, 2. Idealism, 3. Oil, 4. Globalization, 5. Arms Industry (http://members.aol.com/bblum6/mafia.htm [Broken])
 
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Who cares what some random guy says. Whats bulldozing a few houses compared to carbombs and pipebombs and suicide bombers? That whole conflict is pretty "N/A" when it comes to human rights because its just insanity going on on both sides with 1 side pretty much fighting for their existance (no, Palestinians can move into one of their loving neighbors territory if worse comes to worse...)
As long as it's not your house (or American houses), I guess there must be nothing wrong with it. And think about your proposed solution, Pengwuino - how would you like to move into one of your "loving neighbours' territories" - say Mexico, or Canada - "if worse came to worse" and your country was invaded and your house and where your family had lived for generations was bulldozed! You'd love it, wouldn't you? And, of course, you'd think it's fair and right and basically ok. Why should other people be happy with treatment you would go to war to resist? Or would you just passively allow yourself to be pushed out of America and live as a totally poverty-stricken refugee in Mexico? No, I think you'd fight (but maybe I'm wrong).
 

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For those American who support the Zionists, why they do not establish Jews State in California or Texas , then they can give them money, oil and ******* to enjoy them?
A good quesiton, Bilal! Of course, we all know why: Israel was specifically set up in the Middle East by the US to be its ally in a strategic and oil-rich region!

Also, here's something interesting I found when researching this issue - President Truman was being lobbied by both Zionists and by anti-Zionists within the US to push for the establishment of an Israeli state:
But Truman was concerned about the domestic political implications as well as the foreign policy implications of the partition issue. As he himself put it during a meeting with U.S. ambassadors to the Middle East, according to William A. Eddy, the ambassador to Saudi Arabia, "I'm sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."(51) Later, in a 1953 article in the American Zionist, Emmanuel Neumann, president of the Zionist Organization of America, conceded that Truman would not have worked so hard for the creation of Israel but for "the prospect of wholesale defections from the Democratic Party."(52) Truman's decision to support the Zionist cause was also influenced by Samuel I. Rosenman, David K. Niles, and Clark Clifford, all members of his staff, and Eddie Jacobson, his close friend and former business partner. Truman later wrote:

The White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders--actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats--disturbed and annoyed me.(53)

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Pressure on Truman also came from non-Jewish fundamentalists and politicians.

In some cases, support for Jewish admission to and statehood in Palestine may have had another domestic political angle. That support sidestepped the sensitive issue of U.S. immigration quotas, which had kept European Jews out of the United States since the 1920s and had left them at the mercy of the Nazis. In other words, support for Zionism may have been a convenient way for people who did not want Jews to come to the United States to avoid appearing anti-Semitic. American classical liberals and others, including the American Council for Judaism, opposed the quotas, and it is probable that many of the refugees, given the option, would have preferred to come to the United States. Reference: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html (the Cato Institute)
 
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all good points, its like the world is out to get israel. israel is one of the most self reliant nations for its size, due mainly to its millitary and special operations. also, where would gangsters of the world be without the uzi? :tongue2:
I don't think there's such a thing as a "self reliant" nation today, especially when discussing a Western nation. Military power and "special operations" do not have anything to do with self reliance. Israel has no energy resources, a strained water supply and does not produce basic things like automobiles or even motors. It is definitely not self-reliant.
What does the Uzi have to do with any of this? Is there some reason why Israel should not have developed it?
 
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israel has a pretty bad record when it comes to humna rights. hasn't anyone heard of palestinian houses getting bulldozed? some jewish person referred to palestinians as "filthy animals" on msnbc also.
http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=8439 [Broken]
some irony there...
OOOOH! :surprised "filthy animals"? That's really bad. Yep, that sure qualifies as a human rights violation. You write something like "some Jewish person" and expect us to take you seriously?
 
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What if majority of Iraqi people do not agree to send their oil to Israel or to recognize this ‘’State’’ which established by destruction of Palestine?
Once again, you lie. There was no Palestine, you could have accepted the UN partition plan and had your own state, but you chose to try to destroy the Jewish state. Why don't you criticize Syria, Jordan and Egypt for not founding a Palestinian state in the territories while they held them? Hypocrite.

Bilal said:
For those American who support the Zionists, why they do not establish Jews State in California or Texas , then they can give them money, oil and ******* to enjoy them?
Because we already have a democracy here, thankyou. Of course you see no problem with displacing Jews.

Bilal said:
No for religious Ghettos or ethic cleansing in ME based on biblical myth:
Ethnic cleansing? With rubber bullets?
Bilal said:
Whether the ‘’Kingdom of Jerusalem’’ 12th century or “Artz Israel” in 20th century. This land belongs to its native people not for selective immigration based on religion.
This is not the 12th century and there are no more crusades. Get over it.

Bilal said:
Peaceful Jews are welcomed in ME, but those Zionists invaders will be defeated as what happen to crusaders in 12the century.
You're stuck in the 12th century Bilal. Your people didn't show their welcome to the peaceful Jews that came here before there was Israel and before anyone thought about oil and globalisation. We've been over this, you've shown your "welcome" when it comes to killing children simply because you disagree with where their parents chose to live. Quoting poems doesn't make up for your murderous ideas.
 

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I don't get this thread at all. The U.S. considered something that is objectively known to have merit. (why else would there have already been a pipeline there? :tongue2:)
 

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alexandra said:
Good point, vanesch - amazingly, many people (even policy-makers) seem to underestimate the effectiveness of guerrilla tactics
Maybe we're deluded and the real reason is to ATTRACT terrorists to it. Maybe it is a fake pipeline with glue on it ? :redface:
 
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free oil for israel, good job yanks !
 

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