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News USA presidential elections

  1. Bush is rightfully in office. I will vote for him.

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  2. Bush is rightfully in office. I will vote for someone else.

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  3. Bush is illegally in office. I will vote for him.

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  4. Bush is illegally in office. I will vote for someone else.

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  1. Dec 28, 2003 #1
    So, for those Americans here, who will you vote for? Every American friend of mine hates Bush, and thinks he has no right to be in office. Every American friend of mine thinks Bush lies constantly, and is sickened when their fellow Americans beileve his crap.

    Some say it is unpatriotic for Americans to say bad things about their government. I say you have guaranteed freedom of speech for a reason, and it is not only your right, but your duty, to criticise the government if you don't like what they are doing.

    Let's have a look at Bush's record...

    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
    - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953.
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  3. Dec 29, 2003 #2
    Howard Dean, he's the only other alternative.
  4. Dec 30, 2003 #3


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    I'll vote for the Democrat whoever it is. It looks like Dean at the moment, but there's a lot of politics ahead yet.
  5. Dec 30, 2003 #4
    At this point, Gary Coleman would be a better choice than Bush.
  6. Dec 30, 2003 #5
    What chu talkin' about!?!

    Personally, all of them irk me but #1, 4, and 5 really agitate me.
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    BUSH BASH!!!!!!

    where are the texans to balance out the bashing???? actually, i know a few texans who do not support him one iota! i think he got into office via "extra means" and not fairly like other candidates, and will not vote for him either...but from what little understanding of politics i have, aren't the electoral votes the deciding factor?
  8. Dec 30, 2003 #7


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    I will make my predictions about the next 6 presidential elections, the winner:

    -will be white
    -will be male (Sorry Hillary)
    -will be protestant (sorry Joe Lieberman)
    -will not be bald (Sorry Cheney, McCain)
    -will have no prominent birthmarks or scars on their face
    -will not be significantly overweight nor underweight
    -will have no visible handicaps
    -will be between 5'8" and 6'4"
    -will have no significant speech impediments
    -will have no advanced degree other than an MBA or law degree (Sorry Doctor Dean)
    -will not be a sitting member of congress

  9. Dec 30, 2003 #8
    Oh, poor Bushy.
  10. Dec 30, 2003 #9
    Does Bush's mental capacity count?
  11. Dec 30, 2003 #10
    Oh woohoo, lame rhetoric. Adam, you are a hoot :)

    This one could go on for hours, but if you will start a new clean thread, I'll explain why the Iraq was is NOT against international law, and further explain why it DOES NOT MATTER except for ney sayers like you whether we find WMD's ever. It doesn't matter if we ever went looking for them, and it would still all be fully legal under international law.

    haha, Hell, even your link is weak. It doesn't put the quote of "16 words" they keep referring to, but they take other quotes out of context as proof? give me a break!
    "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." "
    I highlighted the part they don't mention, but we'll go more on this later if you care. I've already seen this topic beat to death, but I really am up for rehashing it if you are :)

    I'll support things like the Kyoto agreement when they are evenly passed. Forcing the US to sign, when China doesn't have to is a devious process of putting undue burden on countries that provide industry for the rest of the world. Maybe we should all get to making tapestries and growing corn?

    No child left behind isn't a failure in itself. It's a failure in it's implementation by the subsequent politicians (ie lowering the bar, to get a higher percentage passing, rather than raising expectations of students).
    I would be happy to expand on this as well, but frankly, after getting 2 lines into your rhetoric-soaked article, I couldn't bring myself to look for any figures in the garbled biased opinion.
    How about we get some facts and figures in here before you make a point based on a single persons openly slanted writings??

    The patriot act, so hated by everyone who hasn't read it, has been upheld by EVERY SINGLE judicial review of it, in every aspect that has been brought before them! This isn't just an act of "a post 9/11 Congress" as you would like to have it be.

    Oh jeez, by own pet-peeve.
    Okay, simple process here. You pay more taxes, you get more break!
    What you have failed to mention was that as a result of these cuts FOUR MILLION people are off the tax rolls. That's right, that removed the tax liabilty for FOUR MILLION PEOPLE! That is just under 30% of all tax filers! I thought it only helped the rich?

    Even FURTHER! (yes, I know it's going to make you cringe to find out you are even more wrong), Child Tax credits, and "Earned Income Tax Credits", will increase this amount even further. So many of these families will get refunds, for MORE than they paid! That is where I have a problem, but that's a whole different story. The fact is still there that these cuts were across the board, and these numbers can be pulled up left and right.

    Yes, Clinton was the reason for the tech boom, and Bush is the reason for the subsequent and standard cyclical recession.
    I won't waste my time on this one. You need a better grasp of economics first, and then we can follow it with a little less rhetoric.

    P.S. I love the 8.2% gain in our economy last quarter, as well as the 10,000+ DOW, and the 2,000+ NASDAQ. It was enough to make all major forecasters reevaluate 2004 as the an expected highest year gain since before Carter! :D
    A link to a main page, of "Progressive Policy Institute"?? HA! PLease Adam, you can do better than that.
    Let's see some numbers, some facts, less rhetoric, like your link so ironically mentions!

    Adam, I like you. I disagree with you on about 90% of things, but I like you - we need all sorts of minds, but do yourself, and me, a favor.... Get some real links, and figures before you respond.
    None of this "www.whatreallyhappened.com/" type proof. Show me a white paper with numbers. If you are serious, then I'll spend the time to respond, but I don't want to go finding you all the stats if they are only going to be against an article of someone with a strong agenda.
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  12. Dec 30, 2003 #11


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    I'm not so sure about that one, but I hope you're right (just re: Hillary).

    I quite frankly am not real impressed by Bush, but as long as the Democratic party continues to be the joke it is now, I won't be voting for a Democrat.
  13. Dec 31, 2003 #12

    I'd like to see a real republican :eek:
    What happened to smaller federal government, less spending??? This is what I am looking for. Things like the recent Medicare bill make me sick.

    I do however, agree with the comment about the dems. It's unfathomable that they can actually think abyone will take them seriously in the position they all stand now.
    A slimeball like dean, a joke like sharpton or kucinich, bland nobody's like gephardt and edwards, and to top it off you've got that lady(hahaha, I don't even remember her name) and Wesley Clark (who doesn't even know what he stands for). It's fun to watch atleast :)
  14. Dec 31, 2003 #13
    It is oh so much easier to dismiss your political opponents with ridicule than it is to actually engage your brain and think about non-sexy things like policy, isn't it?
  15. Dec 31, 2003 #14
    As I said, I'm happy to spend the time to dig up the opposing numbers. But explain to me why I should spend the time pulling up and neatly linking such info, if the other person is not prepared to truly debate?
    There aren't any figures in his post, simply rhetoric by other people! It wasn't ridicule, simply the best that can be done with a post full of people doing the same :)
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