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Use of vice versa

  1. Apr 24, 2005 #1
    use of "vice versa"

    My friend and I were discussing if this was an appropriate way to use the term "vice versa." He says that it can be used, making the sentence mean "if time decreases, turn left, and if time increases, turn right." I'm not sure if vice versa works in this case.

    "If time decreases, turn left (& vice-versa)"

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Apr 24, 2005 #2

    cronxeh

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    if your friend is correct and you are wrong then it doesnt matter, and vice versa.
     
  4. Apr 24, 2005 #3
    I take this to mean "if your friend is correct and you are wrong or your friend is wrong and you are correct then it doesnt matter."
     
  5. Apr 24, 2005 #4

    Moonbear

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    Nope, can't be used in that situation. It would make the sentence mean: "If time decreases, turn left, and if time lefts turn decrease." Clearly it creates a nonsensical sentence. Vice versa is not used to imply the opposite of a statement, but to reverse the order of a statement.
     
  6. Apr 24, 2005 #5

    thanks for clearing that up! i knew something sounded wrong with that sentence!
     
  7. Apr 24, 2005 #6
    Yup, it's 'this to that' to 'that to this.'
     
  8. Apr 25, 2005 #7

    Chi Meson

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    Although technically Moonbear is absolutely correct (vice verso is supposed to switch the positions of the nouns in this case), it is acceptable to change the noun along with its verb, making " if [you] turn left, time decreases."

    This is called a "converse" statement (If A then B :: If B then A), and linguistically the "A" and "B" do not have to be single words but may be the subject-verb phrase. This is they way most people use it without confusion, so it becomes the rule.

    Either way, your friend is implying an "inverse" statment (If A then B :: if not A then not B). But that's iff (if and only if) "not A" = "opposite of A." etc etc etc etc. Wonk wonk wonk. No matter how you dice it its not "vice versa," and since using it in this matter obviously does create confusion, it won't become part of the rule.

    Liguistics is fun. But it kills a party even quicker than phisics does.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2005
  9. Apr 25, 2005 #8

    BobG

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    There's just something about the sound of the 'vice' part that causes confusion. I knew an instructor who taught the vis-a-vis equation in one of his classes. The wet erasable marker equation?! :confused: Turns out he meant Leibniz's vis viva equation ... or vice versa (maybe Leibniz wrote it with a wet erasable marker, but was confused about how to say it .... easily understandable since it hadn't been invented yet).
     
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  10. Apr 25, 2005 #9

    Moonbear

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    :rofl:

    I had a Latin teacher in high school who was a stickler for pronunciation, so in order to have normal conversations with people, I had to unlearn the proper pronunciation and learn the English pronunciation. The proper pronunciation is more like wee'-kay wear'-sa.
     
  11. Apr 26, 2005 #10

    Chi Meson

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    So you also know that Juius Cesar actually said: "weenee wedi weekee"
     
  12. Apr 26, 2005 #11

    BobG

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    Thanks for that image. That's what we're missing in politics today....

    Which of the following could you envision standing up in public wearing a toga and saying "weenee wedi weekee"?

    George W.
    Hillary
    Rudi
    Condi
    John Kerry (with botox, of course)
    Cheney?
    Arnold?

    We'd probably elect either Justin Timberlake or Janet Jackson.

    Or else we'd elect Bill Clinton, again. Somehow, I could imagine him saying it and not looking any dumber than he usually does. :rofl:
     
  13. Apr 26, 2005 #12

    Danger

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    None of the above, but I can see Dubya being introduced as a weenee. :grumpy:
     
  14. Apr 26, 2005 #13

    hypnagogue

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    Sorry to spoil the fun :tongue2:, but that's "veni, vidi, vici," pronounced "wen-ee, wee-dee, wee-kee"
     
  15. Apr 26, 2005 #14

    Moonbear

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    Yep, hypnagogue to the rescue! :smile:
     
  16. Apr 26, 2005 #15

    Danger

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    We've discussed this before, Moonbabe... you have to give me more to work with.
     
  17. Apr 27, 2005 #16

    Chi Meson

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    Fudge. There goes another chunk of my brain.
     
  18. Apr 27, 2005 #17

    DaveC426913

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    My wife learned the phrase: Temper ubi sub ubi
     
  19. Apr 27, 2005 #18

    Moonbear

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    It's "semper ubi sub ubi." Although, it's only funny to say the translation, because the meaning is entirely different than how it sounds. But it did get our class to remember that "ubi" = "where"
     
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