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Using summation with probability question

  1. Mar 30, 2005 #1
    Help With Probability Question

    i have been working on this for a week can anyone help?

    NOTE: Look at reply from moodoo for proper matematical symbols!!

    I need the probability of being dealt a bridge hand with at least 5 hearts.

    I have to possible answers but I have never done this before and dont know the proper way to type them but here goes...

    summation sign with 13 on the top and k=5 on bottom x (C 13,k)(C 13,13-K)/C 52,13

    2)same summation as above x C 13,k (.25)to the power of k(.75)to the power of 13-k/C 52,13

    HELP WITH PROBABILITY QUESTION :confused: :confused: :confused:
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2005
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  3. Mar 30, 2005 #2
    Yikes, that's some messy notation you got there...
    Let me clean that up for you...

    1. [tex]\sum_{k=5}^{13}{\frac{\left(\begin{array}{cc}13\\k\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{cc}13\\13-k\end{array}\right)}{\left(\begin{array}{cc}52\\13\end{array}\right)}}[/tex]

    2. [tex]\sum_{k=5}^{13}{\frac{\left(\begin{array}{cc}13\\k\end{array}\right)*.25^{k}*.75^{13-k}}{\left(\begin{array}{cc}52\\13\end{array}\right)}}[/tex]

    Although I am a bit shaky on where your delimeters are. Tell me if any of the above aren't what you had in mind.

    EDIT: Maybe that's more like it?
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2005
  4. Mar 30, 2005 #3

    Yes, that is exactly what I meant. You are amazing. But is this the right answer for my question? Are both of these binomial formulas and is it ok to use a binomial formula with cards?

    Thanks so much for your time>
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2005
  5. Mar 30, 2005 #4


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    Both your solutions are INcorrect.

    First, Binomial probabilities can only be used for INDEPENDENT events for which the probability of occurrence (or non-occurrence) of any event does NOT influence that for any other. Unfortunately, for a card deck, when you draw any one card you automatically change the probability of drawing the next (since you do not replace the drawn card). Thus, your solution #2 does not apply. (Binomial probabilities could be used, however, to determine the probability of at least 5 Tails when tossing 52 Fair Coins since each Coin is independent of the others.)

    Your solution #1 is closer, but is still not proper. You are correct that there are [tex] \mathbb{C}_{13}^{52} [/tex] total ways of drawing 13 (combinations of) cards from the deck's 52. You must now determine how many of those contain at least 5 Hearts.

    Let's start with exactly 5 Hearts. There are [tex] \mathbb{C}_{5}^{13} [/tex] ways of drawing those 5 from the deck's 13 Hearts. Further, there are [tex] \mathbb{C}_{8}^{39} [/tex] ways of drawing the 8 additional cards required for the hand from the remaining 39 deck cards (which are not hearts). Thus:

    {Number Combinations of 5 Hearts in 13 Cards from 52 Card Deck} = [tex] \mathbb{C}_{(5)}^{(13)} \cdot \mathbb{C}_{(8)}^{(39)}[/tex]

    Similar reasoning can be applied to {5, 6, 7, ... , 12, 13 Hearts}, so the total number of combinations containing AT LEAST 5 Hearts is given by:

    [tex] (1) \ \ \ \ \ \sum_{n=5}^{13} \mathbb{C}_{(n)}^{(13)} \cdot \mathbb{C}_{(13 - n)}^{(39)} [/tex]

    And the required probability is:

    [tex] (2) \ \ \ \ \ \color{red} Prob(At \ Least \ 5 \ Hearts) \ = \ \frac { \sum_{n=5}^{13} \mathbb{C}_{(n)}^{(13)} \cdot \mathbb{C}_{(13 - n)}^{(39)} } { \mathbb{C}_{(13)}^{(52)} } [/tex]

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  6. Mar 31, 2005 #5
    XANTHYM, Thanks so much for your help. When I saw your answer I checked my original message, the 13 in my jumbled formula was an error. I know that the cards have to add up to 52.

    Thanks again, spikemurphy

    p.s. is there an easy way to use latex, do I need a special program.
  7. Mar 31, 2005 #6
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