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News Verdict against Saddam Hussein!

  1. Nov 5, 2006 #1

    Astronuc

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    Apparently Saddam Hussein has been found guilty and has been sentenced to death by hanging for crimes against humanity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Saddam_Hussein

    This will not exactly endear the US to many in the world.
     
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  3. Nov 5, 2006 #2
    To think, tens, or hundreds of thousands have died to make this execution possible.
     
  4. Nov 5, 2006 #3
    Yep, i know. This is completely redundant IMHO, even the "symbolic" value of this trial and sentence are overestimated. But anyhow, like most people, i don't really care.


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    marlon
     
  5. Nov 5, 2006 #4

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    Good riddance to him.
    It won't make the world a better place, though.
     
  6. Nov 5, 2006 #5
    There is still another trial to be held. Then they will go into the appeals stage. In the meantime there is still the possibility of violence.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003348279_saddam05.html [Broken]
     
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  7. Nov 5, 2006 #6

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    Well, here is Rove's "October surprise", though it should not have come as a surprise at all. It'll give the elephants a bump among some fence-sitters, but will it turn any Congressional races for them?
     
  8. Nov 5, 2006 #7
    They should've shot him in the face while he cowered in his hole like the dog that he is.

    Instead we had to waste resources to try this animal - and now even more time and money is going to be spent on an appeal. What a crock.
     
  9. Nov 5, 2006 #8
    There is a bit of irony here in the fact that most of our allies are against the death penality.
     
  10. Nov 5, 2006 #9
    you know, its Always a waste of resources to give a guilty man a trial? we should execute suspects before their trials so we don't have to spend money for sound prosecutions
     
  11. Nov 5, 2006 #10

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    You picked an ironic part of the article to quote, Astronuc: there's a big, pink warning at the top of the page that the neutrality of the article may be compromised by "weasel words" and the section you quoted contains one fact followed by two weasel words - and both have since been removed from the article.
     
  12. Nov 5, 2006 #11
    On a side note, I was very impressed when reading about the Nuremberg trials... (sorry for going off topic, at least its not that far off topic).
     
  13. Nov 5, 2006 #12

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    Well, we've preserved the original for posterity. I simply quoted what was there, and I wasn't inferring anything, although the comment about US influence was a concern. Hopefully the US influence was simply technical, i.e. helping with the court and trial structure.

    :rofl: That just doesn't look right! :rofl: I hate weasel words and weasel-worded statements. Of course, we know that anyone can edit Wikipedia, so statements, particularly those of a political nature, must be given proper scrutiny.

    Well, we're supposed to be the 'good guys', and good guys don't shoot unarmed people in holes. We've got to go through the process.
     
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  14. Nov 6, 2006 #13
    There are sectarian riots in the streets, in response to this. The AP article is notable for having a spelling error in its title:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_verdict [Broken]
     
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  15. Nov 6, 2006 #14

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    More importantly in the article:
    Hopefully resentment is not simmering and building. The rate of violence while still high has not increased. I would hope that people get tired of it and move on to being more peaceful and productive.
     
  16. Nov 6, 2006 #15
    Just before the Mid-terms as well, coincidence? I think not
     
  17. Nov 6, 2006 #16

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    Hussein Trial Was Flawed but Reasonably Fair, and Verdict Was Justified, Legal Experts Say
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/world/middleeast/06trial.html
    By JULIA PRESTON
    That's the key point, like it or not.

    However - the ramifications -

    In a Divided Iraq, Reaction to Saddam Death Sentence Conforms to Sectarian Lines
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/world/middleeast/06voices.html
    By SABRINA TAVERNISE
    BAGHDAD, Nov. 5
     
  18. Nov 6, 2006 #17

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    Unfortunately, I think that's necessary for the politic process. The word politics means that two opposing views must clash. This is how one view gains dominance over another, and becomes a decision, and thence a course of action. Without this polarizing process, nothing would get resolved, so nothing would get done.

    I just wish we could do it without the violence.
     
  19. Nov 9, 2006 #18

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    Mubarak Warns Against Hanging Saddam
    from The Associated Press
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6462656 [Broken]

    It would seem revenge, retribution and retaliation are still very much part of human behavior.
     
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  20. Nov 10, 2006 #19
    I think this will be the straw that broke the camels back. I think that executing Sadam is not the right thing to do. He was an evil man, and did evil things, but I am against the death penalty. I believe In this case it will escalate tensions, between Sunni's and Sheia factions, it wont bring any good, and will make a martyr. I dont believe the court is without its outside influences, and to be honest is more akin to a kangaroo court than anything. He should have been tried outside Iraq, and outside of the Neo-con's influence, in an international court. my 2 cents. No good will come from his death.
     
  21. Nov 14, 2006 #20

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    Personally, I do not care about what happens to Saddam, he was a bad guy.

    However, I'm more concerned with the *reason* for his dead sentence. Apart from the fact that one can have doubt about the process' fairness, the problem is that Saddam is a former head of state that is condemned to be hung for being responsible for the death of 150 civilians as a direct consequence of his orders.

    Now, there are some other heads of state who are responsible for the dead of less than 200 civilians as a direct consequence of the execution of their orders! Are they also going to be hung ?
     
  22. Nov 14, 2006 #21
    I am very glad that Saddam is going to behung like a dog. It is what he deserves.

    Well, if those killings happenend with the same intention and in the same way as Saddam, then YES they should be hung if the death penalty is valid in such countries. I am thinking of Kim Y I, Ahmadinejhad, Mugabe, The president from Syria, HAMAS etc etc...

    marlon
     
  23. Nov 14, 2006 #22

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    I don't think those were the people vanesch had in mind!

    Besides, it's not what the intention was, but that there was intent, that's important. Whether I kill 150 people for their money, their political opposition, or their refusal to kiss my feet first thing every morning is immaterial.

    As always, the reason Saddam is being tried and hung is that he's the bad guy that lost the war.
     
  24. Nov 14, 2006 #23

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    Any crimes he committed were committed against Iraqis, so having him tried by Iraqi courts was the appropriate thing to do.

    It's hard to say it was a kangaroo court. The trial was a circus, but evidence for what Saddam did was solid - the Iraqi government was very good at documenting exactly what they did. That doesn't mean the court wouldn't have reached a guilty verdict regardless, but it is hard to say the verdict was bogus.

    You could be right about what the impact of executing Saddam will be. I think the impact is a huge unknown. There's a possibility of it having a positive impact, especially long term, but a huge possibility of pouring gas on the flames of an already volatile situation. You run the chance of the long term positives never even getting a chance to come into play.
     
  25. Nov 15, 2006 #24
    I know that but he is wrong and that was my point. It is very obvious that the people i named are not in the same league (as "heads of state") as the people Vanesch had in mind.


    I agree but i feel you are objecting to a point i never wanted to make. I did not just say "look at the intention". We are judging leaders here not just civilians. When we are talking about leaders we are talking about regimes and THERE is the specific difference i wanted to point out.

    marlon
     
  26. Nov 15, 2006 #25
    To be honest, IMHO it is only an Iraqi court because it is situated in Iraq. The whole country is propped up by Foreign military forces, and the court is yielding to what these foreigners believe is justice. The outcome everyone knew before the process started. Judges have been changed, lawyers shot.. Its not 'normal' to say the least.

    If Sadam was tried outside Iraq in an International court of justice these problems wouldnt have happened, but that would open an even bigger can of worms, something that the powers to be right now wouldnt allow...

    Trying any head of state is a mine field...
     
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